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Embed­ded Agency

TagLast edit: 4 Jan 2023 2:57 UTC by Daniel_Eth

Embedded Agency is the problem that an understanding of the theory of rational agents must account for the fact that the agents we create (and we ourselves) are inside the world or universe we are trying to affect, and not separated from it. This is in contrast with much current basic theory of AI or Rationality (such as Solomonoff induction or Bayesianism) which implicitly supposes a separation between the agent and the-things-the-agent-has-beliefs about. In other words, agents in this universe do not have Cartesian or dualistic boundaries like much of philosophy assumes, and are instead reductionist, that is agents are made up of non-agent parts like bits and atoms.

Embedded Agency is not a fully formalized research agenda, but Scott Garrabrant and Abram Demski have written the canonical explanation of the idea in their sequence Embedded Agency. This points to many of the core confusions we have about rational agency and attempts to tie them into a single picture.

Embed­ded Agency (full-text ver­sion)

15 Nov 2018 19:49 UTC
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Hu­mans Are Embed­ded Agents Too

johnswentworth23 Dec 2019 19:21 UTC
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Embed­ded Agents

29 Oct 2018 19:53 UTC
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In­tro­duc­tion to Carte­sian Frames

Scott Garrabrant22 Oct 2020 13:00 UTC
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Draft pa­pers for REALab and De­cou­pled Ap­proval on tampering

28 Oct 2020 16:01 UTC
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Sub­sys­tem Alignment

6 Nov 2018 16:16 UTC
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De­ci­sion Theory

31 Oct 2018 18:41 UTC
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Embed­ded World-Models

2 Nov 2018 16:07 UTC
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Ro­bust Delegation

4 Nov 2018 16:38 UTC
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Embed­ded Agency via Abstraction

johnswentworth26 Aug 2019 23:03 UTC
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You Only Get One Shot: an In­tu­ition Pump for Embed­ded Agency

Oliver Sourbut9 Jun 2022 21:38 UTC
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Embed­ded Curiosities

8 Nov 2018 14:19 UTC
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Up­dates and ad­di­tions to “Embed­ded Agency”

29 Aug 2020 4:22 UTC
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Bot­world: a cel­lu­lar au­toma­ton for study­ing self-mod­ify­ing agents em­bed­ded in their environment

So8res12 Apr 2014 0:56 UTC
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Embed­ded Agents are Quines

12 Dec 2023 4:57 UTC
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When does ra­tio­nal­ity-as-search have non­triv­ial im­pli­ca­tions?

nostalgebraist4 Nov 2018 22:42 UTC
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Log­i­cal Up­date­less­ness as a Ro­bust Del­e­ga­tion Problem

Scott Garrabrant27 Oct 2017 21:16 UTC
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Mean­ing & Agency

abramdemski19 Dec 2023 22:27 UTC
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Uncer­tainty in all its flavours

Cleo Nardo9 Jan 2024 16:21 UTC
25 points
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In­fra-Bayesi­anism Distil­la­tion: Real­iz­abil­ity and De­ci­sion Theory

Thomas Larsen26 May 2022 21:57 UTC
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[Question] What are brains?

Valentine10 Jun 2023 14:46 UTC
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Gen­eral al­ign­ment properties

TurnTrout8 Aug 2022 23:40 UTC
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The whirlpool of reality

Gordon Seidoh Worley27 Sep 2020 2:36 UTC
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Con­se­quen­tial­ists: One-Way Pat­tern Traps

David Udell16 Jan 2023 20:48 UTC
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Ad­di­tive Oper­a­tions on Carte­sian Frames

Scott Garrabrant26 Oct 2020 15:12 UTC
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Biex­ten­sional Equivalence

Scott Garrabrant28 Oct 2020 14:07 UTC
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Con­trol­lables and Ob­serv­ables, Revisited

Scott Garrabrant29 Oct 2020 16:38 UTC
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Sub-Sums and Sub-Tensors

Scott Garrabrant5 Nov 2020 18:06 UTC
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Func­tors and Coarse Worlds

Scott Garrabrant30 Oct 2020 15:19 UTC
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Mul­ti­plica­tive Oper­a­tions on Carte­sian Frames

Scott Garrabrant3 Nov 2020 19:27 UTC
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Subagents of Carte­sian Frames

Scott Garrabrant2 Nov 2020 22:02 UTC
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Carte­sian Frames Definitions

Rob Bensinger8 Nov 2020 12:44 UTC
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Com­mit­ting, As­sum­ing, Ex­ter­nal­iz­ing, and Internalizing

Scott Garrabrant9 Nov 2020 16:59 UTC
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Eight Defi­ni­tions of Observability

Scott Garrabrant10 Nov 2020 23:37 UTC
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Time in Carte­sian Frames

Scott Garrabrant11 Nov 2020 20:25 UTC
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“em­bed­ded self-jus­tifi­ca­tion,” or some­thing like that

nostalgebraist3 Nov 2019 3:20 UTC
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(nostalgebraist.tumblr.com)

(Dou­ble-)In­verse Embed­ded Agency Problem

shminux8 Jan 2020 4:30 UTC
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Embed­ded Agency: Not Just an AI Problem

johnswentworth27 Jun 2019 0:35 UTC
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AXRP Epi­sode 9 - Finite Fac­tored Sets with Scott Garrabrant

DanielFilan24 Jun 2021 22:10 UTC
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(A → B) → A

Scott Garrabrant11 Sep 2018 22:38 UTC
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MIRI/​OP ex­change about de­ci­sion theory

Rob Bensinger25 Aug 2021 22:44 UTC
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Nor­ma­tive vs De­scrip­tive Models of Agency

mattmacdermott2 Feb 2023 20:28 UTC
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Perfor­mance guaran­tees in clas­si­cal learn­ing the­ory and in­fra-Bayesianism

matolcsid28 Feb 2023 18:37 UTC
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Could Roko’s basilisk acausally bar­gain with a pa­per­clip max­i­mizer?

Christopher King13 Mar 2023 18:21 UTC
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[Question] Define “Agent” (Embed­ded)

Apollonia24 Mar 2024 20:14 UTC
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On Com­plex­ity Science

Garrett Baker5 Apr 2024 2:24 UTC
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Clar­ify­ing the free en­ergy prin­ci­ple (with quotes)

Ryo 29 Oct 2023 16:03 UTC
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No Es­cape from Free Will: The Para­dox of Deter­minism and Embed­ded Agency

gmax3 Nov 2023 17:55 UTC
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ACI#6: A Non-Dual­is­tic ACI Model

Akira Pyinya9 Nov 2023 23:01 UTC
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[Question] Would this be Progress in Solv­ing Embed­ded Agency?

Johannes C. Mayer14 Nov 2023 9:08 UTC
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[Question] Is there Work on Embed­ded Agency in Cel­lu­lar Au­tomata Toy Models?

Johannes C. Mayer14 Nov 2023 9:08 UTC
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Ap­ply to the Con­cep­tual Boundaries Work­shop for AI Safety

Chipmonk27 Nov 2023 21:04 UTC
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«Boundaries/​Mem­branes» and AI safety compilation

Chipmonk3 May 2023 21:41 UTC
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Some Sum­maries of Agent Foun­da­tions Work

mattmacdermott15 May 2023 16:09 UTC
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What Pro­gram Are You?

RobinHanson12 Oct 2009 0:29 UTC
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Higher Di­men­sion Carte­sian Ob­jects and Align­ing ‘Tiling Si­mu­la­tors’

lukemarks11 Jun 2023 0:13 UTC
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Time­less De­ci­sion The­ory and Meta-Cir­cu­lar De­ci­sion Theory

Eliezer Yudkowsky20 Aug 2009 22:07 UTC
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De­mys­tify­ing Born’s rule

Christopher King14 Jun 2023 3:16 UTC
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Minds: An Introduction

Rob Bensinger11 Mar 2015 19:00 UTC
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Are pre-speci­fied util­ity func­tions about the real world pos­si­ble in prin­ci­ple?

mlogan11 Jul 2018 18:46 UTC
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Ad­di­tive and Mul­ti­plica­tive Subagents

Scott Garrabrant6 Nov 2020 14:26 UTC
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De­ci­sion the­ory is not policy the­ory is not agent theory

Cole Wyeth5 Sep 2023 1:38 UTC
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Troll Bridge

abramdemski23 Aug 2019 18:36 UTC
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Coun­ter­fac­tual Plan­ning in AGI Systems

Koen.Holtman3 Feb 2021 13:54 UTC
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Phy­lac­tery De­ci­sion Theory

Bunthut2 Apr 2021 20:55 UTC
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Iden­ti­fi­a­bil­ity Prob­lem for Su­per­ra­tional De­ci­sion Theories

Bunthut9 Apr 2021 20:33 UTC
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Es­cap­ing the Löbian Obstacle

Morgan_Rogers16 Jun 2021 0:02 UTC
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An­throp­ics and Embed­ded Agency

dadadarren26 Jun 2021 1:45 UTC
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Op­ti­miza­tion Con­cepts in the Game of Life

16 Oct 2021 20:51 UTC
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A Pos­si­ble Re­s­olu­tion To Spu­ri­ous Counterfactuals

JoshuaOSHickman6 Dec 2021 18:26 UTC
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Ex­plor­ing De­ci­sion The­o­ries With Coun­ter­fac­tu­als and Dy­namic Agent Self-Pointers

JoshuaOSHickman18 Dec 2021 21:50 UTC
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For­mal­iz­ing Two Prob­lems of Real­is­tic World Models

So8res22 Jan 2015 23:12 UTC
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A Rephras­ing Of and Foot­note To An Embed­ded Agency Proposal

JoshuaOSHickman9 Mar 2022 18:13 UTC
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[Question] Choice := An­throp­ics un­cer­tainty? And po­ten­tial im­pli­ca­tions for agency

Antoine de Scorraille21 Apr 2022 16:38 UTC
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Ex­plor­ing Mild Be­havi­our in Embed­ded Agents

Megan Kinniment27 Jun 2022 18:56 UTC
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De­liber­a­tion, Re­ac­tions, and Con­trol: Ten­ta­tive Defi­ni­tions and a Res­tate­ment of In­stru­men­tal Convergence

Oliver Sourbut27 Jun 2022 17:25 UTC
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Strange Loops—Self-Refer­ence from Num­ber The­ory to AI

ojorgensen28 Sep 2022 14:10 UTC
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Op­ti­miza­tion at a Distance

johnswentworth16 May 2022 17:58 UTC
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LLMs may cap­ture key com­po­nents of hu­man agency

catubc17 Nov 2022 20:14 UTC
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Riffing on the agent type

Quinn8 Dec 2022 0:19 UTC
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Beyond Re­wards and Values: A Non-du­al­is­tic Ap­proach to Univer­sal Intelligence

Akira Pyinya30 Dec 2022 19:05 UTC
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Causal rep­re­sen­ta­tion learn­ing as a tech­nique to pre­vent goal misgeneralization

PabloAMC4 Jan 2023 0:07 UTC
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