Based on my recollections of being around in 2015, your number from then seems too high to me (I would have guessed there were at most 30 people doing what I would have thought of as AI x-risk research back then). Can I get a sense of who you’re counting?
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Answer from the abstract of the paper Kat linked in a parallel comment:
Most (73%) of the worldwide hunter-gatherer societies derived >50% (> or =56-65% of energy) of their subsistence from animal foods, whereas only 14% of these societies derived >50% (> or =56-65% of energy) of their subsistence from gathered plant foods.
In particular, vegans/vegetarians are more likely to be left-wing, and left-wing people in the US have higher rates of mental illness.
Thanks for making this! For what it’s worth, it looks like 22757.12(d) requires developers to be somewhat transparent about risks from internal deployment, which seems quite interesting to me and I’m surprised didn’t make the summary.
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I wonder if “discourse in such a way that your interlocutor, if they decided to adopt good faith, could easily deal with you (or otherwise leave)” gets you the benefits of “assume good faith” without the drawbacks of asking you to sometimes assume false stuff?
How do these hold up in backpacks / luggage bags? I’m worried they’d catch on stuff and tear pages more than other bookmarks (that can be pushed totally into the book).
And if the stakes are even higher, you can ultimately try to get me fired from this job. The exact social process for who can fire me is not as clear to me as I would like, but you can convince Eliezer to give head-moderatorship to someone else, or convince the board of Lightcone Infrastructure to replace me as CEO, if you really desperately want LessWrong to be different than it is.
I don’t plan on doing this, but who is on the board of Lightcone Infrastructure? This doesn’t seem to be on your website.
Like, I guess I have never heard the term “civil justice” used instead, and I don’t know of a better term that clearly spans both
Just realized I never responded to this—I would just use the term “civil law” (as I did). For a term that covers both, “the legal system” perhaps, altho it’s a bit too broad, and you’re right that there’s not a great option.
I can’t comment on how things work in Germany, since they have a very different structure of law (that my guess is English-language terms are not well-designed for), but:
I agree one could maybe make some argument that it’s not “criminal justice” until you “commit a crime by violating a civil court order”
This is what I think—in particular, the “criminal justice system” is the system that involves dealing with crimes, and the “civil law system” is the system that involves dealing with civil wrongs. You’re correct that they relate, but there are enough distinctions (who brings cases, proof standards, typical punishments, source of the laws) that I think it makes sense to distinguish them. I further think that most people with enough context to know the difference between civil and criminal law would not guess that a similarly informed person would use the term “criminal justice system” to cover civil law.
Relevant evidence from the Wikipedia page on Criminal justice:
Criminal justice is the delivery of justice to those who have committed crimes[...]
The criminal justice system consists of three main parts:
Law enforcement agencies, usually the police
Courts and accompanying prosecution and defence lawyers
Agencies for detaining and supervising offenders, such as prisons and probation agencies.
Civil law lacks parts 1 and 3.
I would not use the term “criminal justice” to describe civil law, since civil law deals with civil wrongs rather than crimes.
A classical example of microeconomics-informed reasoning about criminal justice is the following snippet of logic.
If someone can gain in-expectation dollars by committing some crime (which has negative externalities of dollars), with a probability of getting caught, then in order to successfully prevent people from committing the crime you need to make the cost of receiving the punishment () be greater than , i.e. .
Note that this is more centrally an example of micro-informed reasoning about the role of punitive damages in civil law, not criminal law, as illustrated by this classic article making basically this argument about punitive damages.
My understanding as a guy who… watches a bunch of YouTube videos and promises he’s right:
Within Catholicism, becoming a monk is not normally described as “ordination”
Within Catholicism, you can definitely be a monk who’s ordained to the priesthood
But you’re right that there are different change-of-status ceremonies that denote different kinds of entrance into intense official religious life.
Sure, but I bet that’s because in fact people are usually attuned to the technical details. I imagine if you were really bad on the technical details, that would become a bigger bottleneck.
[Epistemic status: I have never really worked at a big company and Richard has. I have been a PhD student at UC Berkeley but I don’t think that counts]
Thing I did not realize: they cost significantly less if you order from the Book Darts website rather than Field Notes.
I guess there’s also “do you expect to have enough time with your audience for you to develop an argument and them to notice flaws”, which I think correlates with technocratic vs democratic but isn’t the same.
In this post, I mostly conflated “being a moderate” with “working with people at AI companies”. You could in principle be a moderate and work to impose extremely moderate regulations, or push for minor changes to the behavior of governments.
Note that I think something like this describes a lot of people working in AI risk policy, and therefore seems like more than a theoretical possibility.
Interestingly I think some of the points still apply in that setting: people in companies care about technical details so to be persuasive you will have to be familiar with them, and in general the points about the benefits of an informed audience seem like they’re going to apply.
My guess is there are two axes here:
technocratic vs democratic approaches (where technocratic approaches mean you’re talking to people informed about details, while democratic approaches mean your audience is less informed about details but maybe has a better sense of wider impacts)
large-scale vs small-scale bids (where large-scale bids are maybe more likely to require ideologically diverse coalitions, while small-scale bids have less of an aggregate impact)
You can always be more incentivized to do or avoid things! (no comment on this specific example)