New­comb’s Problem

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Newcomb’s Problem is a thought experiment in decision theory exploring problems posed by having other agents in the environment who can predict your actions.

The Problem

From Newcomb’s Problem and Regret of Rationality:

A superintelligence from another galaxy, whom we shall call Omega, comes to Earth and sets about playing a strange little game. In this game, Omega selects a human being, sets down two boxes in front of them, and flies away.

Box A is transparent and contains a thousand dollars.
Box B is opaque, and contains either a million dollars, or nothing.

You can take both boxes, or take only box B.

And the twist is that Omega has put a million dollars in box B iff Omega has predicted that you will take only box B.

Omega has been correct on each of 100 observed occasions so far—everyone who took both boxes has found box B empty and received only a thousand dollars; everyone who took only box B has found B containing a million dollars. (We assume that box A vanishes in a puff of smoke if you take only box B; no one else can take box A afterward.)

Before you make your choice, Omega has flown off and moved on to its next game. Box B is already empty or already full.

Omega drops two boxes on the ground in front of you and flies off.

Do you take both boxes, or only box B?

One line of reasoning about the problem says that because Omega has already left, the boxes are set and you can’t change them. And if you look at the payoff matrix, you’ll see that whatever decision Omega has already made, you get $1000 more for taking both boxes. This makes taking two boxes a dominant strategy and therefore the correct choice. Agents who reason this way do not make very much money playing this game.

The general class of decision problems that involve other agents predicting your actions are called Newcomblike Problems.

Irrelevance of Omega’s Physical Impossibility

Sometimes people dismiss Newcomb’s problem because of the physical impossibility of a being like Omega. However, Newcomb’s problem does not actually depend on the possibility of Omega in order to be relevant. Similar issues arise if we imagine a skilled human psychologist who can predict other people’s actions with 65% accuracy.

Notable Posts

See Also

New­comb’s Prob­lem and Re­gret of Rationality

Eliezer Yudkowsky31 Jan 2008 19:36 UTC
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New­comblike prob­lems are the norm

So8res24 Sep 2014 18:41 UTC
76 points
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The Ul­ti­mate New­comb’s Problem

Eliezer Yudkowsky10 Sep 2013 2:03 UTC
40 points
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New­comb’s prob­lem hap­pened to me

Academian26 Mar 2010 18:31 UTC
52 points
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New­comb’s Prob­lem vs. One-Shot Pri­soner’s Dilemma

Wei_Dai7 Apr 2009 5:32 UTC
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Con­fu­sion about New­comb is con­fu­sion about counterfactuals

AnnaSalamon25 Aug 2009 20:01 UTC
53 points
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Null-box­ing New­comb’s Problem

Yitz13 Jul 2020 16:32 UTC
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You May Already Be A Sinner

Scott Alexander9 Mar 2009 23:18 UTC
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Coun­ter­fac­tual Mugging

Vladimir_Nesov19 Mar 2009 6:08 UTC
70 points
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AXRP Epi­sode 5 - In­fra-Bayesi­anism with Vanessa Kosoy

DanielFilan10 Mar 2021 4:30 UTC
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Why 1-box­ing doesn’t im­ply back­wards causation

Chris_Leong25 Mar 2021 2:32 UTC
7 points
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Meta De­ci­sion The­ory and New­comb’s Problem

wdmacaskill5 Mar 2013 1:29 UTC
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“Ra­tional Agents Win”

KingSupernova23 Sep 2021 7:59 UTC
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A few mis­con­cep­tions sur­round­ing Roko’s basilisk

Rob Bensinger5 Oct 2015 21:23 UTC
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Self-con­firm­ing pre­dic­tions can be ar­bi­trar­ily bad

Stuart_Armstrong3 May 2019 11:34 UTC
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You’re in New­comb’s Box

HonoreDB5 Feb 2011 20:46 UTC
59 points
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A model of UDT with a halt­ing oracle

cousin_it18 Dec 2011 14:18 UTC
67 points
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Parfit’s Es­cape (Filk)

G Gordon Worley III29 Mar 2019 2:31 UTC
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Oper­a­tional­iz­ing New­comb’s Problem

ErickBall11 Nov 2019 22:52 UTC
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The Pre­dic­tion Prob­lem: A Var­i­ant on New­comb’s

Chris_Leong4 Jul 2018 7:40 UTC
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Coun­ter­fac­tu­als: Smok­ing Le­sion vs. New­comb’s

Chris_Leong8 Dec 2019 21:02 UTC
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Ex­tremely Coun­ter­fac­tual Mug­ging or: the gist of Trans­par­ent Newcomb

Bongo9 Feb 2011 15:20 UTC
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Ex­am­ple de­ci­sion the­ory prob­lem: “Agent simu­lates pre­dic­tor”

cousin_it19 May 2011 15:16 UTC
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A full ex­pla­na­tion to New­comb’s para­dox.

solomon alon12 Oct 2020 16:48 UTC
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Thoughts from a Two Boxer

jaek23 Aug 2019 0:24 UTC
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Two-box­ing, smok­ing and chew­ing gum in Med­i­cal New­comb problems

Caspar4229 Jun 2015 10:35 UTC
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New­comb’s Prob­lem stan­dard positions

Eliezer Yudkowsky6 Apr 2009 17:05 UTC
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[Question] Is Agent Si­mu­lates Pre­dic­tor a “fair” prob­lem?

Chris_Leong24 Jan 2019 13:18 UTC
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Ra­tion­al­ists lose when oth­ers choose

PhilGoetz16 Jun 2009 17:50 UTC
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The dumb­est kid in the world (joke)

CronoDAS6 Jun 2021 2:57 UTC
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Con­di­tional offers and low pri­ors: the prob­lem with 1-box­ing New­comb’s dilemma

Andrew Vlahos18 Jun 2021 21:50 UTC
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Should VS Would and New­comb’s Paradox

dadadarren3 Jul 2021 23:45 UTC
2 points
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Why do the­ists, un­der­grads, and Less Wrongers fa­vor one-box­ing on New­comb?

CarlShulman19 Jun 2013 1:55 UTC
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Omega can be re­placed by amnesia

Bongo26 Jan 2011 12:31 UTC
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Real-world New­comb-like Prob­lems

SilasBarta25 Mar 2011 20:44 UTC
22 points
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Nate Soares on the Ul­ti­mate New­comb’s Problem

Rob Bensinger31 Oct 2021 19:42 UTC
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