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Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowl­edge (ELK)

TagLast edit: 31 Mar 2022 3:04 UTC by Multicore

Eliciting Latent Knowledge is an open problem in AI safety.

Suppose we train a model to predict what the future will look like according to cameras and other sensors. We then use planning algorithms to find a sequence of actions that lead to predicted futures that look good to us.

But some action sequences could tamper with the cameras so they show happy humans regardless of what’s really happening. More generally, some futures look great on camera but are actually catastrophically bad.

In these cases, the prediction model “knows” facts (like “the camera was tampered with”) that are not visible on camera but would change our evaluation of the predicted future if we learned them. How can we train this model to report its latent knowledge of off-screen events?

--ARC report

See also: Transparency/​Interpretability

ARC’s first tech­ni­cal re­port: Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowledge

14 Dec 2021 20:09 UTC
225 points
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(docs.google.com)

Mechanis­tic anomaly de­tec­tion and ELK

paulfchristiano25 Nov 2022 18:50 UTC
133 points
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(ai-alignment.com)

ELK prize results

9 Mar 2022 0:01 UTC
135 points
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Find­ing gliders in the game of life

paulfchristiano1 Dec 2022 20:40 UTC
101 points
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(ai-alignment.com)

Coun­terex­am­ples to some ELK proposals

paulfchristiano31 Dec 2021 17:05 UTC
50 points
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Prizes for ELK proposals

paulfchristiano3 Jan 2022 20:23 UTC
150 points
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Ro­bust­ness of Con­trast-Con­sis­tent Search to Ad­ver­sar­ial Prompting

1 Nov 2023 12:46 UTC
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Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowl­edge Via Hy­po­thet­i­cal Sensors

John_Maxwell30 Dec 2021 15:53 UTC
38 points
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Im­por­tance of fore­sight eval­u­a­tions within ELK

Jonathan Uesato6 Jan 2022 15:34 UTC
25 points
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ELK First Round Con­test Winners

26 Jan 2022 2:56 UTC
65 points
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ELK Pro­posal: Think­ing Via A Hu­man Imitator

TurnTrout22 Feb 2022 1:52 UTC
28 points
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Towards a bet­ter cir­cuit prior: Im­prov­ing on ELK state-of-the-art

29 Mar 2022 1:56 UTC
23 points
0 comments15 min readLW link

Im­pli­ca­tions of au­to­mated on­tol­ogy identification

18 Feb 2022 3:30 UTC
69 points
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My Reser­va­tions about Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge (Burns, Ye, et al)

Robert_AIZI27 Dec 2022 17:27 UTC
50 points
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(aizi.substack.com)

Note-Tak­ing with­out Hid­den Messages

Hoagy30 Apr 2022 11:15 UTC
17 points
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[Question] Can you be Not Even Wrong in AI Align­ment?

throwaway823819 Mar 2022 17:41 UTC
22 points
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[ASoT] Ob­ser­va­tions about ELK

leogao26 Mar 2022 0:42 UTC
31 points
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[Question] How is ARC plan­ning to use ELK?

jacquesthibs15 Dec 2022 20:11 UTC
24 points
5 comments1 min readLW link

Can we effi­ciently ex­plain model be­hav­iors?

paulfchristiano16 Dec 2022 19:40 UTC
64 points
3 comments9 min readLW link
(ai-alignment.com)

ELK Com­pu­ta­tional Com­plex­ity: Three Levels of Difficulty

abramdemski30 Mar 2022 20:56 UTC
46 points
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Col­lin Burns on Align­ment Re­search And Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge Without Supervision

Michaël Trazzi17 Jan 2023 17:21 UTC
25 points
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(theinsideview.ai)

If you’re very op­ti­mistic about ELK then you should be op­ti­mistic about outer alignment

Sam Marks27 Apr 2022 19:30 UTC
17 points
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What Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge Did and Did Not Find

Fabien Roger13 Mar 2023 19:29 UTC
166 points
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[ASoT] Some thoughts on hu­man abstractions

leogao16 Mar 2023 5:42 UTC
42 points
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ELK con­test sub­mis­sion: route un­der­stand­ing through the hu­man ontology

14 Mar 2022 21:42 UTC
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Clar­ify­ing what ELK is try­ing to achieve

Towards_Keeperhood21 May 2022 7:34 UTC
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AXRP Epi­sode 29 - Science of Deep Learn­ing with Vikrant Varma

DanielFilan25 Apr 2024 19:10 UTC
20 points
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Un­der­stand­ing the two-head strat­egy for teach­ing ML to an­swer ques­tions honestly

Adam Scherlis11 Jan 2022 23:24 UTC
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Mea­sure­ment tam­per­ing de­tec­tion as a spe­cial case of weak-to-strong generalization

23 Dec 2023 0:05 UTC
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Is ELK enough? Di­a­mond, Ma­trix and Child AI

adamShimi15 Feb 2022 2:29 UTC
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What Does The Nat­u­ral Ab­strac­tion Frame­work Say About ELK?

johnswentworth15 Feb 2022 2:27 UTC
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Some Hacky ELK Ideas

johnswentworth15 Feb 2022 2:27 UTC
34 points
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REPL’s: a type sig­na­ture for agents

scottviteri15 Feb 2022 22:57 UTC
25 points
6 comments2 min readLW link

A rough idea for solv­ing ELK: An ap­proach for train­ing gen­er­al­ist agents like GATO to make plans and de­scribe them to hu­mans clearly and hon­estly.

Michael Soareverix8 Sep 2022 15:20 UTC
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Two Challenges for ELK

derek shiller21 Feb 2022 5:49 UTC
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ELK Thought Dump

abramdemski28 Feb 2022 18:46 UTC
58 points
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Mus­ings on the Speed Prior

evhub2 Mar 2022 4:04 UTC
29 points
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ELK Sub—Note-tak­ing in in­ter­nal rollouts

Hoagy9 Mar 2022 17:23 UTC
6 points
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How To Know What the AI Knows—An ELK Distillation

Fabien Roger4 Sep 2022 0:46 UTC
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Rep­re­sen­ta­tional Tethers: Ty­ing AI La­tents To Hu­man Ones

Paul Bricman16 Sep 2022 14:45 UTC
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The ELK Fram­ing I’ve Used

sudo19 Sep 2022 10:28 UTC
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Where I cur­rently dis­agree with Ryan Green­blatt’s ver­sion of the ELK approach

So8res29 Sep 2022 21:18 UTC
65 points
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Log­i­cal De­ci­sion The­o­ries: Our fi­nal failsafe?

Noosphere8925 Oct 2022 12:51 UTC
−7 points
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(www.lesswrong.com)

For ELK truth is mostly a distraction

c.trout4 Nov 2022 21:14 UTC
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You won’t solve al­ign­ment with­out agent foundations

Mikhail Samin6 Nov 2022 8:07 UTC
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The limited up­side of interpretability

Peter S. Park15 Nov 2022 18:46 UTC
13 points
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ARC pa­per: For­mal­iz­ing the pre­sump­tion of independence

Erik Jenner20 Nov 2022 1:22 UTC
97 points
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(arxiv.org)

Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge in Lan­guage Models Without Supervision

Xodarap14 Dec 2022 12:32 UTC
45 points
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(arxiv.org)

How “Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge in Lan­guage Models Without Su­per­vi­sion” Fits Into a Broader Align­ment Scheme

Collin15 Dec 2022 18:22 UTC
243 points
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Can we effi­ciently dis­t­in­guish differ­ent mechanisms?

paulfchristiano27 Dec 2022 0:20 UTC
88 points
30 comments16 min readLW link
(ai-alignment.com)

[ASoT] Si­mu­la­tors show us be­havi­oural prop­er­ties by default

Jozdien13 Jan 2023 18:42 UTC
33 points
2 comments3 min readLW link

[RFC] Pos­si­ble ways to ex­pand on “Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge in Lan­guage Models Without Su­per­vi­sion”.

25 Jan 2023 19:03 UTC
47 points
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Search­ing for a model’s con­cepts by their shape – a the­o­ret­i­cal framework

23 Feb 2023 20:14 UTC
51 points
0 comments19 min readLW link

Thoughts on self-in­spect­ing neu­ral net­works.

Deruwyn12 Mar 2023 23:58 UTC
4 points
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Ar­ti­cle Re­view: Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge (Burns, Ye, et al)

Robert_AIZI22 Dec 2022 18:16 UTC
13 points
4 comments6 min readLW link
(aizi.substack.com)

Dis­cus­sion: Challenges with Un­su­per­vised LLM Knowl­edge Discovery

18 Dec 2023 11:58 UTC
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Strik­ing Im­pli­ca­tions for Learn­ing The­ory, In­ter­pretabil­ity — and Safety?

RogerDearnaley5 Jan 2024 8:46 UTC
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Au­dit­ing LMs with coun­ter­fac­tual search: a tool for con­trol and ELK

Jacob Pfau20 Feb 2024 0:02 UTC
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Is This Lie De­tec­tor Really Just a Lie De­tec­tor? An In­ves­ti­ga­tion of LLM Probe Speci­fic­ity.

Josh Levy4 Jun 2024 15:45 UTC
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Find­ing the es­ti­mate of the value of a state in RL agents

3 Jun 2024 20:26 UTC
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CCS on com­pound sentences

Artyom Karpov4 May 2024 12:23 UTC
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“What the hell is a rep­re­sen­ta­tion, any­way?” | Clar­ify­ing AI in­ter­pretabil­ity with tools from philos­o­phy of cog­ni­tive sci­ence | Part 1: Ve­hi­cles vs. contents

IwanWilliams9 Jun 2024 14:19 UTC
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Covert Mal­i­cious Finetuning

2 Jul 2024 2:41 UTC
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Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowl­edge in Com­pre­hen­sive AI Ser­vices Models

acabodi17 Nov 2023 2:36 UTC
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Bet­ting on what is un-falsifi­able and un-verifiable

Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir14 Nov 2023 21:11 UTC
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Con­trast Pairs Drive the Em­piri­cal Perfor­mance of Con­trast Con­sis­tent Search (CCS)

Scott Emmons31 May 2023 17:09 UTC
97 points
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Goal-mis­gen­er­al­iza­tion is ELK-hard

rokosbasilisk10 Jun 2023 9:32 UTC
2 points
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Still no Lie De­tec­tor for LLMs

18 Jul 2023 19:56 UTC
47 points
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Ground-Truth La­bel Im­bal­ance Im­pairs the Perfor­mance of Con­trast-Con­sis­tent Search (and Other Con­trast-Pair-Based Un­su­per­vised Meth­ods)

5 Aug 2023 17:55 UTC
6 points
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(drive.google.com)

Un­cov­er­ing La­tent Hu­man Wel­lbe­ing in LLM Embeddings

14 Sep 2023 1:40 UTC
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(far.ai)

A per­sonal ex­pla­na­tion of ELK con­cept and task.

Zeyu Qin6 Oct 2023 3:55 UTC
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At­tribut­ing to in­ter­ac­tions with GCPD and GWPD

jenny11 Oct 2023 15:06 UTC
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Dis­cov­er­ing La­tent Knowl­edge in the Hu­man Brain: Part 1 – Clar­ify­ing the con­cepts of be­lief and knowledge

Joseph Emerson15 Oct 2023 9:02 UTC
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The Greedy Doc­tor Prob­lem… turns out to be rele­vant to the ELK prob­lem?

Jan14 Jan 2022 11:58 UTC
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10 comments14 min readLW link
(universalprior.substack.com)

REPL’s and ELK

scottviteri17 Feb 2022 1:14 UTC
9 points
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[ASoT] Some ways ELK could still be solv­able in practice

leogao27 Mar 2022 1:15 UTC
26 points
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Vaniver’s ELK Submission

Vaniver28 Mar 2022 21:14 UTC
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Is GPT3 a Good Ra­tion­al­ist? - In­struc­tGPT3 [2/​2]

simeon_c7 Apr 2022 13:46 UTC
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ELK shaving

Miss Aligned AI1 May 2022 21:05 UTC
6 points
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In­ter­pretabil­ity’s Align­ment-Solv­ing Po­ten­tial: Anal­y­sis of 7 Scenarios

Evan R. Murphy12 May 2022 20:01 UTC
53 points
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Croe­sus, Cer­berus, and the mag­pies: a gen­tle in­tro­duc­tion to Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowledge

Alexandre Variengien27 May 2022 17:58 UTC
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Elic­it­ing La­tent Knowl­edge (ELK) - Distil­la­tion/​Summary

Marius Hobbhahn8 Jun 2022 13:18 UTC
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ELK Pro­posal—Make the Re­porter care about the Pre­dic­tor’s beliefs

11 Jun 2022 22:53 UTC
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Bounded com­plex­ity of solv­ing ELK and its implications

Rubi J. Hudson19 Jul 2022 6:56 UTC
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Abram Dem­ski’s ELK thoughts and pro­posal—distillation

Rubi J. Hudson19 Jul 2022 6:57 UTC
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Sur­prised by ELK re­port’s coun­terex­am­ple to De­bate, IDA

Evan R. Murphy4 Aug 2022 2:12 UTC
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A Bite Sized In­tro­duc­tion to ELK

Luk2718217 Sep 2022 0:28 UTC
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