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Si­mu­lacrum Levels

TagLast edit: 17 Mar 2022 10:29 UTC by Yoav Ravid

Simulacrum Levels are a framework for analyzing different motivations people can have for making statements.

More descriptions of the four levels:

By Strawperson:

By Zvi:

A concrete example of the above from Michael Vassar:

Zvi describes the four children of the Seder (Passover) as the four (and one extra) simulacrum levels:

“The wicked understand, acknowledge and value the Wise—they depend on the Wise for their own cynical gain. The simple don’t see the point of wisdom. Those who do not know how to ask don’t even know wisdom is a thing.”—The Four Children of the Seder as the Simulacra Levels


The origin of this framework is in Simulacra and Simulation by sociologist Jean Baudrillard.

Si­mu­lacra Levels and their Interactions

Zvi15 Jun 2020 13:10 UTC
173 points
48 comments17 min readLW link1 review
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

Unify­ing the Si­mu­lacra Definitions

Zvi3 Aug 2020 12:10 UTC
82 points
30 comments12 min readLW link
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

Si­mu­lacra and Subjectivity

Benquo5 Mar 2020 16:25 UTC
94 points
33 comments3 min readLW link2 reviews
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)

Nega­tive Feed­back and Simulacra

Elizabeth29 Apr 2020 2:00 UTC
144 points
24 comments9 min readLW link1 review
(acesounderglass.com)

The Four Chil­dren of the Seder as the Si­mu­lacra Levels

Zvi7 Sep 2020 15:00 UTC
73 points
17 comments16 min readLW link1 review
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

On Nega­tive Feed­back and Simulacra

Zvi3 May 2020 17:00 UTC
47 points
7 comments29 min readLW link
(thezvi.wordpress.com)

A sketch of ‘Si­mu­lacra Levels and their In­ter­ac­tions’

Yoav Ravid4 Aug 2020 9:13 UTC
44 points
2 comments1 min readLW link

Sig­nal­ling & Si­mu­lacra Level 3

abramdemski14 Nov 2020 19:24 UTC
58 points
29 comments5 min readLW link

Si­mu­lacrum 3 As Stag-Hunt Strategy

johnswentworth26 Jan 2021 19:40 UTC
157 points
30 comments4 min readLW link

Ex­cerpts from a larger dis­cus­sion about simulacra

Benquo10 Apr 2019 21:27 UTC
52 points
40 comments6 min readLW link5 reviews
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)

[Question] What con­fu­sions do peo­ple have about simu­lacrum lev­els?

johnswentworth14 Dec 2020 20:20 UTC
27 points
31 comments1 min readLW link

18 pos­si­ble mean­ings of “I Like Red”

ozziegooen23 Aug 2021 23:25 UTC
28 points
14 comments3 min readLW link

[Question] What is meant by Si­mul­cra Levels?

Chris_Leong17 Jun 2020 2:20 UTC
21 points
17 comments1 min readLW link1 review

A case study in simu­lacra lev­els and the Four Chil­dren of the Seder

AllAmericanBreakfast14 Sep 2020 22:31 UTC
32 points
1 comment4 min readLW link

Si­mu­lacrum Levels of Trust

alkexr30 Jun 2021 10:14 UTC
21 points
0 comments3 min readLW link

Blame games

Benquo6 May 2019 2:38 UTC
45 points
13 comments7 min readLW link
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)

We should not raise awareness

lsusr1 Mar 2021 8:46 UTC
34 points
21 comments2 min readLW link

“Ob­jec­tive vs So­cial Real­ity” vs “Si­mu­lacra 1/​3″

Raemon17 Mar 2021 22:15 UTC
27 points
5 comments1 min readLW link

Face­book is Si­mu­lacra Level 3, An­dreessen is Level 4

Ben Pace28 Apr 2021 17:38 UTC
50 points
13 comments2 min readLW link

Can crimes be dis­cussed liter­ally?

Benquo22 Mar 2020 20:17 UTC
103 points
38 comments2 min readLW link3 reviews
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)

Hufflepuff Cynicism

abramdemski13 Feb 2018 2:15 UTC
20 points
17 comments6 min readLW link

Night­mare of the Perfectly Principled

Benquo2 Nov 2017 9:10 UTC
13 points
14 comments8 min readLW link
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)

Ac­tors and scribes, words and deeds

Benquo26 Apr 2017 5:12 UTC
30 points
5 comments9 min readLW link

Blatant lies are the best kind!

Benquo3 Jul 2019 20:45 UTC
20 points
17 comments5 min readLW link
(benjaminrosshoffman.com)
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