pretty much this— I trained my brain to hurt whilst thinking hard, then later trained it out of it.
lesswronguser123
Karma: 154
it has been longer than a week any updates?
Not a video yet fairly useful primer
I kind of want to have my cake and eat it too, it depends on situation context etc. I tend to desire both safety and respect, it also depends on the mood.
I (and my friends) might be more of a woman as per this criterion. lol. (for reference I happen to be part of the cluster which my society recognises as with the label “young men”; I am mostly neutral on most of these, and lean womanly on others)
It pretty much depends on how you define real. I buy more into [Valence series] 1. Introduction
personal blog RSS feeds are coming soon
Can someone(if not op) please give me a feed url for that?
I think the blank moral panic is a bit unfounded my ratio of LLM : Search engine is 4:1 , I think LLMs just explain things faster a lot of times, I am likely to land on the same thing after searching 3-4 sites, because I kind of know what type of info I am looking for, I think if LLM is damaging to use the way I am using, it would be similarly damaging to use google on regular basis, which I don’t think it is.
I think the unhealthy usecases of LLMs don’t quite scale as uniformly as people might expect at least not currently, there was a recent research from METR on how experienced programmers actually lose time using LLMs.
(not sure if this even suits the content guidelines of this site or whether I should degrade the standards here, but I will click submit to FAFO)
Guys, something is really really wrong with how these things interact with human minds.
um—yeah, how do I put this, I think I am over my sexting AI chatbots on AI roleplay platforms to well, stimulate myself (effectively soft AI nsfw). Probably spent over 80+ hrs on that pastime, now I have moved on, I think I may be the exception not the rule here, for some people the damage would be irrecoverable trauma and psychological damage, much rather for me it was just a 16-17 y/o spending his time fantasizing. For comparison I think more than 70% of people who were below 18 in my friend circle (last year), had their exposure to nsfw material of some kind before turning 18 (I would guess 14-16 is the median), I think AI porn is just the next iteration of “serving horny men stimuli” business, society has going for itself.
The effects will be similar to phones or internet, there would be a noticeable cultural shift where it’s readily accessible and culturally active , and the socially unacceptable extremes(Like AI relationships) will become part of Social Dark Matter . Currently LLMs have certainly not gone mainstream enough to appropriate AI nsfw as better than current baseline, but that seems like it will happen on this trajectory once we overcome the minor social taboos, there’s space for (economies of scales) innovation in that field.
the sort of people who seemed to me to be going backward are in fact probably the upper end of the distribution.
The cultural shift would be out sourcing boring and dense things to LLMs in varying degrees, potentially stunting “effectively literate” people’s ability to focus even further on topics they don’t like (sort of like ADHD)— which might as well be a confession on my part— this will act as Lowering the Sanity Waterline without the tech, similar to how people face withdrawal syndrome with social media finding it hard to focus and reason afterwards. Fwiw, a lot of people find current LLMs emotionally inauthentic , so I think that’s the part which will stay mainstream rather than the extremes. I remember people cried wolf for similar extremes eg; Superstimuli and the Collapse of Western Civilization , I am not expecting it this time, atleast not with the current tech, we would need more emotionally relatable chatbots to go mainstream for the AI rights revolution. (Some of my friends want to work on it —which I disagree with on basis of efficient markets here given their current skillset but that’s another story— since they’re annoyed at chatgpt’s emotional clumsiness)
I wonder if some AI scraper with 5 million IPs just scraped lesswrong and now it’s in mainstream datasets. Other hypothesis would be learning curve of users, and lesswrong style content getting closer to overton window for LLM users.
I would contend status—not money— is often zero sum, the Malthusian instinct might actually be accurate there. It’s when a person extends that instinct to positive sum games it stops yielding reliable predictions.
How I would phrase it is, value precedes justification, they can be influenced by it but without some set of starting preferences to value justification in first place you cannot begin.
China probably has convinced it’s own populace that it’s democratic—a government run by the people for the people. I contend a lot of people practically against liberal principles will answer in order no,no,yes,yes to those questions in good parts of the so called backsliding or authoritarian world,maybe the last question would be more controversial depending on how it’s framed. Liberalism doesn’t impact majority of people’s life as directly as one might think in the short run, most people just want to get by, and majoritarianism is not the same as liberalism, but the people who’re part of the majority are likely to have more positive experience with the system.
I agree on the tradeoffs, rorty’s patchwork metaphor seems to fit quite well here.
I only partially agree, I wouldn’t be surprised if “free speech” is now on the road to suffering the same fate as the word “democracy”—china calls itself a democracy,they too have the word “free speech” in their constitution . I think trump’s admin definition and aspiration for free speech— the legal animosity towards media, academics— is not what past US liberals would recognise as such and is departure from that tradition. What use is free speech if your critics are indirectly being suppressed? Even authoritarian governments give citizens enough “free speech” to not arrest them in day to day lives, people self censor on certain topics similar to them being taboo. I have seen some public intellectuals reacting to this mess by embracing free speech absolutism—because they get accused of being biased towards one side and disregarded if they’re partial— but those positions are very hard to get intuitions for.
I think a lot of politicians only pay a lip service to so called “liberal principles” and in the end do realpolitik.
Well there was a popperian in scott’s comment section his argument was something like
“How do you know you’re not adopted?”
I think on basis of Bayesian prior and expected utility it’s entirely fine to go about living your life like you’re not.
If I am to be a strict popperian I would have to answer “I don’t know maybe test it” vs “It’s highly unlikely given these reliable reasons which constitute my priors”. I think the pragmatic superiority of the latter is quite evident.
Not speaking for john but, I think LLMs can cause a lack of gears lvl understanding, more vibe coding, less mental flexibility due to lack of deliberate thought and more dependency on it for thinking in general. A lot of my friends will most likely never learn coding properly and rely solely on chatgpt, it would be similar to calculators—which reduced people’s ability to do mental maths— but for thinking.
Let me reiterate why your original comment seems to be downplaying how difficult it is to intuition pump the ideas of liberal free expression.
For a case study, take Modi’s India which also emotively endorses free speech[1][2]— but the activist groups have been screaming left and right about how his government has been steadily eroding liberal free speech norms[3].
Extrapolating from the case in India, at this point around the world it’s mostly a debate surrounding which exceptions people want do they want people criticising the government when they’re doing perceived good policies? Or insulting certain groups of people? People don’t feel strongly about liberal notions of free speech in good parts of the world, and the people who do—western classical liberals— are struggling to get their intuition pumps out there.
I can see the developing economy and cultural differences objections to the former example, so let’s take, case study of Trump, he uses the Applause Lights of free speech even more so than others. He even passed an executive order to restore free speech[4] , where his admin seems to be disagreeing on the same exceptions ™ . They think misinformation-by-outgroup shouldn’t be under free speech, others who disagree think misinformation-by-outgroup-2 shouldn’t be covered. Trump admin curbing on press freedom[5] from outgroup yet inviting —fringe and online activist— internet personalities from their own[6], which is to say their free speech policy seems to be amounting to “free speech for me not for thee”.
It would be difficult to rescue the banner free speech with “In britain they put you in jail for calling people karen” , without also engaging with “Destiny should be prosecuted for mocking on the retired firefighter who died during first trump shooting”.[7]
I think other way would be to play the information and Dark Side Epistemology game better than the illiberal side, but it would be a constant battle as evident from short-lived success of western liberal free speech advocates from prior generations and the difficulty adapting to populism,cancel-culture favoring social media environments.
- ^
When I became Prime Minister, I especially invited Pakistan to my swearing-in ceremony so we could turn over a new leaf, yet every noble attempt at fostering peace was met with hostility and betrayal. We sincerely hope that wisdom prevails upon them and they choose the path of peace. I believe even the people of Pakistan long for peace. Look, regarding what you said about criticism and how I deal with it. If I had to summarize in one sentence, I welcome it. I have a strong belief that criticism is the soul of democracy. I want to tell all the young people the following. No matter how dark the night may seem, it is still just night, and morning is bound to come.
- ^
A free press makes a stronger democracy! Today on #WorldPressFreedomDay, let us reaffirm our commitment towards steadfastly supporting a free press. It is the multiplicity of ideas and human expression that makes us more vibrant as a society.
— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) May 3, 2018
- ^
https://www.themirrority.com/data/press-freedom-index
2021 onwards
2010-2020 (with ranking)
- ^
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution, an amendment essential to the success of our Republic, enshrines the right of the American people to speak freely in the public square without Government interference. Over the last 4 years, the previous administration trampled free speech rights by censoring Americans’ speech on online platforms, often by exerting substantial coercive pressure on third parties, such as social media companies, to moderate, deplatform, or otherwise suppress speech that the Federal Government did not approve. Under the guise of combatting “misinformation,” “disinformation,” and “malinformation,” the Federal Government infringed on the constitutionally protected speech rights of American citizens across the United States in a manner that advanced the Government’s preferred narrative about significant matters of public debate. Government censorship of speech is intolerable in a free society.
- ^
RSF notes that the range of threats presented by the incoming Trump administration is without precedent in modern American history. For instance, Trump has:
Issued at least 15 separate calls to revoke the broadcast licenses of television networks in political retaliation;
Vowed to investigate media outlets that are critical of him;
Insulted or threatened journalists hundreds of times on the campaign trail;
Formed an alliance with anti-journalism tech mogul Elon Musk;
Threatened Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg with jail time in an apparently successful effort to extract concessions on content moderation; and
Sued multiple media outlets for coverage he disliked.
- ^
- ^
“F**k it, f**k the dude, the firefighter guy. F**k Trump, f**k the people that support him. I just want you to know, right? In case you are confused or whatever, if one of you were in the crowd and you are a conservative fan of mine and you get blown up or whatever, I am making fun of you the next day on Twitter.”
“Donald Trump incited an insurrection and then was granted full criminal immunity for possibly all of his involvement. I have zero sympathy for anything that happens to him or anyone who supports him. I will argue this position against any and all conservatives of reasonable size, but there’s a reason none of you spineless hacks step outside of your echo chambers.”
- ^
The free speech issue is not that simple, I think a lot of people agree on free speech with exceptions ™ , the fight is often about which free speech ™ should be the norm. It’s similar to how people can have different notions of fairness. I am not sure what would act as an intuition pump for most of people to agree with more fair and liberal notions of free speech.
Virgin here I think your psychoanalysis of my situation is accurate. The thing is I am slightly scared/aversive of using quick takes too, mayhaps I should take more risks like the depicted chad but I’m a bit indecisive right now.
Hmm, correlation may not imply causation here but when I am exerting more willpower and orienting my life with unusual amount of stress, I often end up getting more hungry compared to normal. It might be due to some third cause of getting up early, doing exercise on time, being more punctual and prompt etc.