Thank you! And yeah, the actual demographic doesn’t have that much time 😅
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Nice! The Last of Us and the God of War reboot is some of my fav game stories cause it shows parent taking their child along as part of the Things That Need Doing and their relationship is an integral part of the story
Thanks! Yeah, I imagine it’s the same for quakelikes but with a somewhat different set of variables to play with. I’ll check out the video, I’m curious!
Haha, below a certain age it can really pay off if the players can’t die, yeah :D
Lol, I love this <3 Yes! :D
Originally people could join the group chat and help the agents along. The evil villain persona was an idea by one such visitors. Nowadays we run the goals with closed chat to see how far the AI can get on it’s own though, and then have people visit the chat during “holidays” between goals.
Thanks!
Updated the relevant line to:
So far, only one model has been shown to make use of extra test-time compute (Pfau et al., 2024), while post-hoc reasoning shows up frequently, and encoded reasoning has been repeatedly evoked by researchers in experimental settings.
Sure! Here you go
Thanks, glad to hear that!
So the agents have a shared group chat where they communicate. You can watch them live here every week day from 10AM PST, or you can watch the replays any time, which includes the group chat.
You can also email them yourself! Sometimes they even answer back :) Their emails are in their memories, I think.
Apart from that, they managed themselves. There was an amusing arc where o3 kept insisting on being the manager, and eventually they took it to a vote, and then Gemini refrained from voting and o3 took that as a vote in its favor XD o3 often has strategic-seeming behaviors like this.
Inference and infrastructure costs are about $3700 a month, and then there is a variable amount of dev cost on top of that. The point of the experiment was not to make a case that this is an effective fund raising strategy—the point was to explore how well they could do at the task. Which, I think, is surprisingly well :)
Thanks!
Hard to say how much they would have raised as anon humans. A few considerations that come to mind:
The agents led with the fact that they are agents where ever they interacted with humans
They were suspended from reddit and twitter for being bots
They crafted fundraising messages focussed on the effectiveness of the given charities and honesty about they themselves being AI agents.
Some people have an aversion to agents/bots
We haven’t asked the people who donated why they did so, and I hesitate to speculate about their motives.
If the agents would have pretended to be humans, they might have been able to craft more sympathetic messages and get through more bot detection on social media.
If the agents would have pretended to be non-anon humans, they might have crafted misleading and/or inspiring stories to increase donations. Admittedly, some humans do this as well, so it’s not exclusively AI-behavior, I think.
Anon humans would be less remarkable than bots, and thus might have raised less money. Not sure.
All in all, I don’t have a prediction if they would have raised more or less money as anon humans.
Oh super valid! I live in the Netherlands which is very densely populated
I agree your example is a better analogy. What I was trying to point to was something else: how the decision to remove detail from a navigational map feels to me experientially. It feels like a form of voluntary blindness to me.
In the case of the subway map, I’d probably also find a more accurate and faithful map easier to parse than the fully abstracted ones, cause I seem to have a high preference for visual details.
Thanks! Glad to hear it :D
Oh shit. It’s worse even. I read the decimal separators as thousand separators.
I’m gonna just strike through my comment.
Thanks for noticing … <3
As someone who isn’t really in a position to donate much at all, and who feels rather silly about the small amount I could possibly give, and what a tiny drop that is compared the bucket this post is sketching...
I uh … sat down and did some simple math. If everyone who ever votes (>12M) donates $10 then you’d have >$120 million covered. If we follow bullshit statistics of internet activity, where it’s said 99% of all content is generated by 1% of all people, then this heuristic would get us $1.2M from people paying this one time “subscription” fee. Now I also feel, based on intuition and ass-numbers, that LW folk have a better ratio than that, so let’s multiply by 2 and then we could get a $2.4 million subscriber fee together from small donations.Now on the pure power of typical mind … I personallylikepeople knowing when I do a nice thing—even a stupidly small thing.So I’m commenting about it.I find this embarrassing, and I’m working through the embarrassment to make it easier for others to farm this nutrient too and just normalize it in case that helps with getting a critical mass of small donations of the $10 variety.Basically my point to readers is: ‘Everyone’ paying a one-time $10 subscription fee would solve the problem.The trick is mostly to help each other generate the activation energy to do this thing. If it helps to post, high five, or wave about it, please do! Visibility of small donations may help activation energy and get critical mass! Group action is awesome. Using your natural reward centers about it is great! <3 Hi :D Wanna join? _Thanks, abstractapplic, for noticing the first error in my calculation: It’s number of votes, not number of people voting. Additionally I noticed I applied the power of dyslexia to the decimal point and read that as an thousand separator. So ignore the errored out math, give what you can, and maybe upvote each other for support on giving as much as possible?
PS: I would prefer if actually big donators would get upvoted more than my post of error math. Feel free to downvote my post just to achieve a better ordering of comments. Thanks. <3
PPS: Note to the writer—Maybe remove decimal numbers entirely throughout the graphs? This is what it looked like for me, and led to the error. And this image is way zoomed in compared to what I see naturally on my screen.
Thanks for the explanation! Are you familiar with the community here and around Astral Codex Ten (ACX)? There are meetups and events (and a lot of writers) who focus on the art and skill of rationality. That was what led to my question originally.
This made me unreasonably happy. Thank you :D
Thank you for the in-depth thoughts!
No idea! :)