“Without suffering” seems like a really high bar. Additionally, do we really want a system that can, presumably, put an utter genius with leet rationality skillz in the top position, and not gain from it? If the correlation between doing well and having a smart leader is literally zero, that’s what you get.
Additionally, do we really want a system that can, presumably, put an utter genius with leet rationality skillz in the top position, and not gain from it?
This response seems to rely on wilfully misunderstanding of the grandparent.
Preventing damage from an imbecile does not require or imply inability to benefit from a genius. The difference in outcome between having an average leader and an imbecile must be minimal. The difference between an average leader and a genius can be arbitrarily large. It would be uncharitable (as well as just plain wrong) to assume that Taleb is claiming that the correlation between leader intelligence and performance is zero.
(Whether such a system is remotely possible is a whole other issue.)
I wouldn’t call the “without suffering from it” clause a high bar to clear. You’d just need a system where any leader’s intentions will be carried out so ineffectually that it makes no practical difference who’s in charge.
A system which can actually achieve desirable outcomes with an idiot in charge, though, is probably at least as difficult to implement as a system which ensures that only competent people will end up in charge.
The point of the quote is to not have a single center of power. Traditionally democracy is supposed to have checks and balances. If you have three powers and the legislative makes a bad law the supreme court can just throw out the law and no damage is done.
If you however have a legislative led by a utter genius with leet rationality skillz that makes great laws the supreme court won’t throw out the laws.
I dunno. I’d be pretty happy with a system that produced reasonable output when staffed with idiots, because that seems like a certainty. I actually think that’s probably why democracy seems to be better than monarchies—it has a much lower requirement for smarts/benevolence. “Without suffering” may be a high bar, but the universe is allowed to give us problems like that! (And I don’t think that democracy is even close to a complete solution.)
EDIT: Also, perhaps the entirety of the system should be to make sure that an “utter genius with leet rationality skillz” is in the top position? I’d be very happy with a system that caused that even when staffed by morons.
Seems to me that a system that incentivized putting smart people in high places would do better in the long run than one that was designed to be robust against idiocy and didn’t concern itself with those incentives.
The trick is making sure those incentives don’t end up Goodharting themselves. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of a system that’s completely solved that problem yet.
(By way partial of support for quote I perceive to be downvoted too far.)
The only valid political system is one that can handle an imbecile in power without suffering from it.
While the quote has the typical problems of hyperbole found in this kind of soundbite, the principle conveyed seems sound. Minimising the damage that can be done by stupid people with power is one of the more important desideratum when designing a system of power allocation.
Nassim Taleb
Alternatively, one that prevents an imbecile from being in power in the first place?
“Without suffering” seems like a really high bar. Additionally, do we really want a system that can, presumably, put an utter genius with leet rationality skillz in the top position, and not gain from it? If the correlation between doing well and having a smart leader is literally zero, that’s what you get.
This response seems to rely on wilfully misunderstanding of the grandparent.
Preventing damage from an imbecile does not require or imply inability to benefit from a genius. The difference in outcome between having an average leader and an imbecile must be minimal. The difference between an average leader and a genius can be arbitrarily large. It would be uncharitable (as well as just plain wrong) to assume that Taleb is claiming that the correlation between leader intelligence and performance is zero.
(Whether such a system is remotely possible is a whole other issue.)
I wouldn’t call the “without suffering from it” clause a high bar to clear. You’d just need a system where any leader’s intentions will be carried out so ineffectually that it makes no practical difference who’s in charge.
A system which can actually achieve desirable outcomes with an idiot in charge, though, is probably at least as difficult to implement as a system which ensures that only competent people will end up in charge.
The point of the quote is to not have a single center of power. Traditionally democracy is supposed to have checks and balances. If you have three powers and the legislative makes a bad law the supreme court can just throw out the law and no damage is done.
If you however have a legislative led by a utter genius with leet rationality skillz that makes great laws the supreme court won’t throw out the laws.
Not quiet, it set a precedent that increases the supreme court’s power and makes the system more vulnerable to idiots on the supreme court.
I dunno. I’d be pretty happy with a system that produced reasonable output when staffed with idiots, because that seems like a certainty. I actually think that’s probably why democracy seems to be better than monarchies—it has a much lower requirement for smarts/benevolence. “Without suffering” may be a high bar, but the universe is allowed to give us problems like that! (And I don’t think that democracy is even close to a complete solution.)
EDIT: Also, perhaps the entirety of the system should be to make sure that an “utter genius with leet rationality skillz” is in the top position? I’d be very happy with a system that caused that even when staffed by morons.
Seems to me that a system that incentivized putting smart people in high places would do better in the long run than one that was designed to be robust against idiocy and didn’t concern itself with those incentives.
The trick is making sure those incentives don’t end up Goodharting themselves. Don’t think I’ve ever heard of a system that’s completely solved that problem yet.
(By way partial of support for quote I perceive to be downvoted too far.)
While the quote has the typical problems of hyperbole found in this kind of soundbite, the principle conveyed seems sound. Minimising the damage that can be done by stupid people with power is one of the more important desideratum when designing a system of power allocation.