Even if we’re not full on fanatics—multiplying probability times magnitude in EV calculations--.2% risks are obviously not worth rounding down to zero. A .2% chance that we were torturing 10^18 people would be the worst thing in the world!
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Thinking Insect Suffering Is The Biggest Deal In The World Is Surprisingly Intuitive
How To Help Neglected Animals
Insect Suffering Is The Biggest Issue: What To Do About It
Everything’s An Emergency
But not all possible people are continuous wavefunctions!
Bentham’s bulldog here! It seems like you’re calculating the number of distinct people—in the sense of the number of people that differs regarding some mental or physical property. But that’s not what’s relevant. SIA favors theories with Beth 2 copies of the same person.
First of all, the claim that wild animal suffering is serious doesn’t depend on the claim that animals suffer more than they are happy. I happen to think human suffering is very serious, even though I think humans live positive lives.
Second, I don’t think it’s depressive bias infecting my judgments. I am quite happy—actually to a rather unusual degree. Instead, the reason to think that animals live mostly bad lives is that nearly every animal lives a very short life that culminates in a painful death on account of R-selection—if you live only ~a week, you don’t have enough positive experiences to outweigh the badness of a painful death.
Regarding the claim that I should be speaking out against factory farming, um...I’m not sure if you’ve read the rest of my writing.
https://benthams.substack.com/p/factory-farming-delenda-est
https://benthams.substack.com/p/weve-created-hell-its-called-factory
Wild Animal Suffering Is The Worst Thing In The World
The Upcoming PEPFAR Cut Will Kill Millions, Many of Them Children
Effective Altruism FAQ
Well, sometimes getting a lot of arguments for a view should convince you of the view.
Rebutting Every Objection To Giving To The Shrimp Welfare Project
I Have A New Paper Out Arguing Against The Asymmetry And For The Existence of Happy People Being Very Good
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Why I Think All The Species Of Significantly Debated Consciousness Are Conscious And Suffer Intensely
I refer you to my response to Said Achmiz’s comment. Do you have a better way of estimating animal consciousness? Sure, the report isn’t perfect, but it’s better than alternatives. It’s irrational to say “well, we don’t know exactly how much they suffer, so let’s ignore them entirely.” https://www.goodthoughts.blog/p/refusing-to-quantify-is-refusing
Fischer’s not against using it for tradeoffs, he’s against using it as a singular indicator of worth.
But then you’d lose out on being the creatures.
I use them both to refer to a kind of unpleasant experience.
While it might be that what you’re saying is correct, it’s at least plausible that creatures with simple minds—so long as they still perform normal functions—can suffer intensely https://benthams.substack.com/p/betting-on-ubiquitous-pain. So for that reason it’s still very bad in expectation.