One way I’ve experienced this was playing poker in a casino. I was pretty decent and could see a lot of the the mistakes other people were making. I thought that meant I should just be able to come in and win their money, but I was sorely mistaken. It was only after a full week of training and practice that I was able to get to that level. (A week sounds like not a lot of time, but it took me a few years of playing on and off to get to that level + realization,)
Yes! For me one area where it’s super clear is relationships. On first dates I’m 100% active curiosity. I’ll ask lots of questions, trying to get to the heart of who the person across the dinner table is.
But after a while, once I’ve “accepted” them, I switch more to open curiosity. It feels more playful. I’m less interested in their version and more interested in exploring together. There’s trust.
Note that the post you linked by Johnicholas contains a mistake that the author admits invalidates his point.
Actually I take that last part back. I could see people who love to vibe about rationality. I think I actually do too, just at a certain level of depth / casually,
Yes, but also once you get good at vibing you want to go vibe with people on your favorite frequency / topic.
Also I think some topics are more “vibable“ than others, and rationality is just not one of them.
Also I think this post gets at part of what you’re pointing at: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/4QemtxDFaGXyGSrGD/other-people-are-wrong-vs-i-am-right
Camel: you have a piece of data, then someone asks if you’ve seen a camel, then you realize that fits with your data.
Elephant: you have a piece of data and so you imagine what the “thing” might be. But nobody walked in and asked if someone has seen an elephant.
Why do you think you should be reading / learning more vs going and doing / making something?
Seems like it would throw a brick at you, because it wanted to throw a brick, not caring that in 2 seconds it’ll hit your face. (You can probably come up with a better example with a slightly longer timeframe.)
RAIN is easiest and most memorable.
I learned recently that some states used to offer an equivalent of “forever stamps” for education. Meaning you pay $X at any time and you’ve guaranteed your payment for a state university in the future. Obviously, they discontinued it, since the costs rose and they lost money. But if you wanted to short *education cost*, you’d basically want to sell these guarantees yourself.
I don’t think I’ve read this view before, or if I have, I’ve forgotten it. Thanks for writing this up!
I’ve been reading basically every post for the past few months. I don’t usually leave comments though, unless it’s to support and thank the author. (Thanks for writing this! Funny enough I also noticed recently how few comments there are, and it seemed worth bringing up.) I guess I feel like I just don’t have much to add to most posts.
“view them as a set of open-ended concepts that have yet to reach a satisfactory conclusion“ is a good description of how I feel about this post.
I call it “making an executive decision.” And I used that term before getting into startups.
Thanks for writing your thoughts out loud. Curious to follow your progress.
Of course, truly effective tea plus a well-conveyed story about its great properties will generate more sales than effective tea or a good story alone.
Sometimes not, I think. It’s almost like a measure of the efficiency / effectiveness of the given market. If the market is really good at recognizing reality, then you don’t need to tell a story. (Basic software libraries are like that: do they give the compute the right thing? If yes, then it’s good.) If the market is not at recognizing reality, then creating stories is often way cheaper than then doing the real thing. (And also transfers better across domains.)
Is there anything in the world that we know of that does alignment for something else? Can we say that humans are doing “coherent extrapolated volition” for evolution? Keeping in mind that under this view, evolution itself would evolve and change into something more complex and may be better.