You don’t have to reply, but FYI I don’t understand what ListC represents (a total ordering of events defined by a logical clock? A logical clock ordering Beauty’s thoughts, or a logical clock ordering what causally can affect what, or logically affect what allowing for Newcomb-like situations? Why is there a clock at all?), how ListC is used, what concatenating multiple entries to ListC means in terms of beliefs, etc. If it’s important for readers to understand this you might have to step us through (or point us to an earlier article where you stepped us through).
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Right, I read all that. I still don’t understand what it means to append two things to the list.
Here’s how I understand
modelLewis,modelElga, etc.“This model represent the world as a probability distribution. To get a more concrete sense of the world model, here’s a function which generates a sample from that probability distribution”
Here’s how I understand your model.
“This model represents the world as a ????, which like a probability distribution but different. To get a concrete sense of the world model, here’s a function which generates a sample from that probability distribution JUST KIDDING here’s TWO samples”.
Why can you generate two samples at once? What does that even mean?? The world model isn’t quite just a stationary probability distribution, fine, what is it then? Your model isn’t structured like other models, fine, but how is it structured? I’m drowning in type errors.
EDIT and I’m suggesting be really concrete, if you can, if that will help. Like come up with some concrete situation where Beauty makes a bet, or says a thing, (“Beauty woke up on Monday and said ‘I think there’s a 50% chance the coin came up on heads, and refuse to say there’s a state of affairs about what day it presently is’”) and explain what in her model made her make that bet or say that thing. Or maybe draw a picture which what her brain looks like under that circumstance compared to other circumstances.
“When you talk about the New York Times, rational thought does not appear to be holding the mic”
--Me, mentally, to many people in the rationalist/tech sphere since Scott took SlateStarCodex down.
Counterpointworth considering:It’s hard to get enough of something that almost works.
(Vincent Felitti, as quoted from In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters with Addiction)
Interesting idea.
I don’t think using a classical Turing machine in this way would be the right prior for the multiverse. Classical Turing machines are a way for ape brains to think about computation using the circuitry we have available (“imagine other apes following these social contentions about marking long tapes of paper”). They aren’t the cosmically simplest form of computation. For example, the (microscopic non-course-grained) laws of physics are deeply time reversible, where Turing machines are not.
I suspect this computation speed prior would lead to Boltzmann-brain problems. Your brain at this moment might be computed at high fidelity, but everything else in the universe would be approximated for the computational speed-up.
How close would this rank a program p with a universal Turing machine simulating p? My sense is not very close because the “same” computation steps on each program don’t align.
My “most naïve formula for logical correlation” would be something like put a probability distribution on binary string inputs, treat and as random variables , and compute their mutual information.
Is that your family’s net worth is $100 and you gave up $85? Or your family’s net worth is $15 and you gave up $85?
Either way, hats off!
I appreciate that you are not speaking loudly if you don’t yet have anything loud to say.
My comment here is not cosmically important and I may delete it if it derails the conversation.
There are times when I would really want a friend to tap me on the shoulder and say “hey, from the outside the way you talk about <X> seems way worse than normal. Are you hungry/tired/too emotionally close?”. They may be wrong, but often they’re right.
If you (general reader you) would deeply want someone to tap you on the shoulder, read on, otherwise this comment isn’t for you.If you burn at NYT/Cade Metz intolerable hostile garbage, are you have not taken into account how defensive tribal instincts can cloud judgements, then, um <tap tap>?
How did training aural imagination go for you, 15 years later?
Our current big stupid: not preparing for 40% agreement
Epistemic status: lukewarm take from the gut (not brain) that feels rightish
The “Big Stupid” of the AI doomers 2013-2023 was AI nerds’ solution to the problem “How do we stop people from building dangerous AIs?” was “research how to build AIs”. Methods normal people would consider to stop people from building dangerous AIs, like asking governments to make it illegal to build dangerous AIs, were considered gauche. When the public turned out to be somewhat receptive to the idea of regulating AIs, doomers were unprepared.
Take: The “Big Stupid” of right now is still the same thing. (We’ve not corrected enough). Between now and transformative AGI we are likely to encounter a moment where 40% of people realize AIs really could take over (say if every month another 1% of the population loses their job). If 40% of the world were as scared of AI loss-of-control as you, what could the world do? I think a lot! Do we have a plan for then?
Almost every LessWrong post on AIs are about analyzing AIs. Almost none are about how, given widespread public support, people/governments could stop bad AIs from being built.
[Example: if 40% of people were as worried about AI as I was, the US would treat GPU manufacture like uranium enrichment. And fortunately GPU manufacture is hundreds of time harder than uranium enrichment! We should be nerding out researching integrated circuit supply chains, choke points, foundry logistics in jurisdictions the US can’t unilaterally sanction, that sort of thing.]
TLDR, stopping deadly AIs from being built needs less research on AIs and more research on how to stop AIs from being built.
*My research included 😬
I think the weakness with KL divergence is that the potentially harmful model can do things the safe model would be exponentially unlikely to do. Even if the safe model has a 1 in 1 trillion chance of stabbing me in the face, the KL penalty to stabbing me in the face is log(1 trillion) (and logs make even huge numbers small).
What about limiting the unknown model to chose one of the cumulative 98% most likely actions for the safe model to take? If the safe model never has more than a 1% chance of taking an action that will kill you, then the unknown model won’t be able to take an action that kills you. This isn’t terribly different from the Top-K sampling many language models use in practice.
I think this is the sort of conversation we should be having! [Side note: I think restricting compute is more effective than restricting research because you don’t need 100% buy in.
it’s easier to prevent people from manufacturing semiconductors than to keep people from learning ideas that fit on a napkin
It’s easier to prevent scientists in Eaccistan from having GPUs than to prevent scientists in Eaccistan from thinking.
The analogy to nuclear weapons is, I think, a good one. The science behind nuclear weapons is well known—what keeps them from being built is access to nuclear materials.
(Restricting compute also seriously restricts research. Research speed on neural nets is in large part bounded by how many experiments you run rather than ideas you have.)]
I don’t understand what
return ['Tails&Monday','Tails&Tuesday']andListC += outcomemean. Can you explain it more? Perhaps operationalize it into some specific way Sleeping Beauty should act in some situation?For example, if Sleeping Beauty is allowed to make bets every time she is woken up, I claim she should bet as though she believes the coin came up with probability 1⁄3 for Heads and 2⁄3 for Tails (≈because over many iterations she’ll find herself betting in situations where Tails is true twice as often as in situations where Heads is true).
I don’t understand what your solution means for Sleeping Beauty. The best operationalization I can think of for “Ω={Heads&Monday, Tails&Monday&Tuesday}” is something like: