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hamnox
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Polar opposite opinion on the truth buttons.
Agree / Disagree is not a relevant axis of quality on Lesswrong.
True / False is so relevant, when a comment contains explicit or implicit claims about reality to fact check.I tentatively infer that the use case you’re thinking of is some kind of Quick Poll, where someone shares subjective anecdata and others can quickly chime in with whether their anecdata is alike or in contrast of that example. This would be an incredibly valuable tool; I really want to have that. What I don’t want is to have that tool in the place of a quality control system.
if i had to redesign the system right now based on these thoughts, I’d go for 3 sections of feedback.
First, reactions: Skepticism, Enthusiasm, Surprise, Empathy, Ugh, Wrath
Second, upvote/downvote.
Third, rubric breakdown. this is collapsed by default, if you voted Strong in either direction then it automatically opens.
False | True
Muddled | Clear
Irrelevant* | On the Mark
Seeds Discord | Truth Converging
*-possible alternative: out of bounds?
Agree it’s overwhelming.
Agree it’ll get better if limited to relevant contexts and polished up.
Agree the axes are difficult to distinguish from one another. True speech, truth-seeking speech, precisely specified speech, and accurately aimed speech are all distinctly important! buuuut they’re strongly correlated so the distinctions are usually only useful to point out on the extreme ends of the quality spectrum, or on very short comments.
There’s an axis? reaction? that is not quite muddled or conflict-seeking or missing the point or false, nor does it warrants skepticism or surprise. It’s just… an ugh field. It’s the category of too much text, too far outside my base context, too ugly, too personally triggering, too why I should even try.
My browser shows does not display the skepticism or enthusiasm icons, I too have great difficulty identifying their meaning.
I interpreted it as “vibing with this” or “mood”. Feeling a moment of connection with another human being through their words, either because it matches your own experience or because they painted a foreign vista vivid enough to inhabit.
I am getting rectangle boxes for both Enthusiasm and Skepticism.
uh, something got lost in translation because I can’t make sense of what you’re saying
we can’t unknow our scientific knowledge.
of course we’d learn from and partially integrate into the local institutions when we stay some place, it would be literally insane not to
we already have migration—seasonal farmhands, escaping small towns, ratspies to the bay area?
i wish for a modern nomadic tribe
imagine a group that was intelligent, rational enough they could rapidly adjust to new circumstances like (snap) *that*. they carry what they need in with them, wherever they go, and have the science of bootstrapping from the ground up down to an art form.
imagine they had a burning man ethos of ‘leave no trace’, or even left the place behind them better than it was found. imagine they stealth into a settled community like brownies to turn leather scraps into shoes.
imagine a culture of intentionality: rapid prototyping and testing of norms, thoughtul adoption with an eye to the long term.
i wish. now what?
I love this idea, and I’m glad you shared it
dropping some predictions in my shortform for safekeeping
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country invades another this year 20%total covid cases in california < 7.4mil by end 2022 90%
total covid deaths in california < 110,000 by end 2022 93%
https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/Dow Jones closes year between 17k and 42k 90%
Dow Jones does not exceed 17k and 42k bounds during year 85%
NASDAQ closes year between 8k and 17k 90%
NASDAQ does not exceed 8k and 17k bounds during year 88%
S&P 500 closes year between 3.5k and 6k 90%
S&P 500 does not exceed 3.5k and 6k bounds during year 86%2024 US Presidential Election is Trump vs. Biden 23%
New Supreme Court Justice in 2022 15%
Omicron variant less lethal than Delta 94%
Wow, I really love that this has been updated and appendix’d. It’s really nice to see how this has grown with community feedback and gotten polished this from a rough concept.
Creating common knowledge on how ‘cultures’ of communication can differ seems really valuable for a community focused on cooperatively finding truth.
I like this, in the sense that it’s provoking fascinating thoughts and makes me want to talk with the author about it further. As a communication of a particular concept? I’m kinda having a hard time following what the intent is.
I think the vast majority of my altruistic impact is through donations, I don’t think my work in advertising is something harmful to offset.
I agree, but I think what you are doing is a fairly noncentral example of “working in advertising”. You are helping to add good constraints on a probably-bad process.
this is a problem with you rather than a problem with ads
Oh, I absolutely agree that this is a problem with me rather than with ads. But the problem with me is that my brain is human. I can’t totally fix the exploits in the human brain that ads target.
Given that this is a society of humans, ads seem contraindicated. I do try to avoid them, but ads are going out of my way to expose themselves to me in a way sodas mostly do not (except insofar as they are advertised).
Third funding model: You pay with contributed labor value
Consider how amazon turk employs people to work on small problems for small payments.
Google maps engages users to answer questions and write reviews for places they have been, for free. What if instead, occasional contributions to updating the map was the price for using it?
What if more online resources worked on a torrent-ish model where those accessing it contribute to hosting it for others? Wouldn’t that be grand?
Correct. Though the latter depends on what someone means by “never be fixed”; trauma is always going to leave a mark but it does not have to remain debilitating nor defining.
We were forced to ‘play outside’ for hours most days and even longer on weekends. I was not even allowed to bring a book outside though sometimes I would hide them outside at night and find them the next day.
Oh stars, this gives me flashbacks. Being forced outside was the worst.
Amazingly my mom made fun of her children for being weirdos.
My mom was also a bigger bully than I ever encountered at school or in the neighborhood, figuratively and literally. It looms even larger in my head, because I had to give a damn about what the person in charge of my life thought.
ps. fiskkit review, it’s a thing I’m trying out.
Faerie Ring meet #2: At Gather.Town
also signing Dath Illan’s nonverbal language, because why would you only make use of the visual modality when you happen to have access to a pen and writing surface?
Intuitive and non-intuitive findings of systems theory, like what adding a second queue does or increasing the variability of a flow rate or changing the size of a buffer.
I read through your proposal, and I don’t understand how all your suggestions are covered. Can you run through which of your proposed elements
lightbulb: is used for surprising or insightful information
exclamation mark: is used to warn about something that requires attention
question mark: flags open questions that should be answered
trend (up/down): information about a general positive/negative trend
checkmark: Different from an up-vote; indicates that something was completed and does not need further attention
you see as corresponding to which elements in the current setup?