Yeah, cow’s milk is good. I actually did say that in the post, but it was kinda hidden at the end of the bullet point of me recommending beef in general.
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Why you should eat meat—even if you hate factory farming
The most common mistakes people make starting EA orgs
Fair enough. There are some for profits where profit and impact are more related than others.
But it’s also quite likely your evals are not actually evaluating anything to do with x-risks or s-risks, and so it just feels like it’s making progress, but isn’t.
I’m assuming here people are trying to prevent AI from killing everyone. If you have other goals, this doesn’t apply.
there are an extremely large number of NGOs with passionate people who do not remotely move the needle on whatever problem they are trying to solve. I think it’s the modal outcome for a new nonprofit
I’d say this is the same thing for AI for-profits from the perspective of AI notkilleveryoneism. Probably, the modal outcome is slightly increasing the odds AI kills everyone. At least the non-profits the modal outcome is not doing anything, rather than making things worse.
Sure, but you get feedback for whether it helps customers with their immediate problems. You don’t get feedback on whether it helps with AI safety.
It’s the direction vs speed thing again. You’ll get good at building widgets that sell. You won’t get good at AI notkilleveryoneism.
Should you start a for-profit AI safety org?
How to get ChatGPT to really thoroughly research something
Having children is not the most effective way to improve the world. Have them because you want them, not “for impact”.
Such a good post! I think it’d be be received well on the EA Forum too. Obviously applicable to EA in a million different ways.
Can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to stare into the abyss of a crucial consideration or study result showing that maybe the thing I’d been working on didn’t help or was even maybe net negative.
Alcohol is so bad for society that you should probably stop drinking
Don’t know much about accumulated heavy metals, but they’re really low on the food chain, so they’re a priori going to have less of those than those higher up the food chain.
You can see their nutritional profile here. Sky high in B12, great at omega-3s and iron.
I also predict they’ll be good at a wide variety of things we don’t know we need yet, since they’re as close to a “whole food” as you can get. You’re eating almost the whole animal, instead of just a part of it.
If you want to be vegan but you worry about health effects of no meat, consider being vegan except for mussels/oysters
Thank you for writing this! Gave me a great concept I’m going to use going forward.
The Grok suggesting organ harvesting of illegals surprised me, so I tried to replicate it.
It did not replicate.
It gave really reasonable answers, including trying to help countries of origin to be more prosperous and stable and making merit-based paths to legal status.
I mean, it still said stuff like using covert operations to stabilize countries, which is pretty dark arts, but very far away from organ harvesting and public executions.
I think that when robotics becomes sufficiently anthropomorphic the AI backlash will really come into full swing.
Imagine Sydney Bing threatening users but it’s a robot in your house.
The visceral reaction is going to be way stronger than all the papers we could publish.
Agreed about populism. Populism is “us the pure majority against the corrupt elites”, which can apply to all sorts of ideologies.
There’s right wing populism (e.g. “us the poor working class against the corrupt East coast elites”) and left wing populism (e.g. “us the poor majority against the corrupt corporate giants”, think the Occupy movement). There’s also populism in Latin America that’s more focused on fighting political clientelism, etc.
I think you could easily change the article to say “MAGA” instead of “populism” and get the same point across, though it’s not that big of a deal.
“The dominant ideologies are not necessarily those with the best ideas—they are those with the best survival strategies.”
I’d add that it’s: idologies that survive and reproduce.
In your framework, spreading=reproducing.
Self-sealing and retention=surviving.
If an idea is open to revision or people changing their minds, it will likely “die” quickly. It needs to spread and then have self-protection mechanisms so the ideology doesn’t die when exposed to contradictory ideas.
Quick response dashed off without sources:
Trees actually have a cluster of cells at the base of their root system that seems to act in very brain like ways. If you damage it or cut it off, suddenly the tree starts acting “dumbly”, like it’s brain damaged.
Trees actually do a ton of really complex things that certainly look like they’re communicating with other trees and plants, via signals sent along their root systems (I vaguely recall it was electrochemical signalling, much like in brains?). They stop doing such things when they get “brain damage” to their root cluster that seems to do signal coordination.
If you watch videos of vines growing but sped up, they look very much like worms, tapping around, “looking” for where they should grow. And they have a little cluster of cells at their tip that act as sensors. If you cut the sensor tip off, they stop “looking” and look like a drunk man, stumbling around blindly. It’s like you cut off their eyes.
Plants are actually able to sense a ton of different things, and they have reactions to them. It’s just that we can’t see the reactions because they either a) happen on too slowly for us to see them or b) happen chemically, so we can’t see them. For example, you know the famous study showing that when a giraffe eats a particular type of tree leaves, the tree releases a chemical that goes through the air and “warns” other trees in the area, and they start developing tannins which make their leaves bitter tasting to the giraffe? I thought that was a neat one-off trick. It’s actually super duper common across plants. We’re just starting to scratch the surface of all of the things they’re doing we can’t see with our normal senses.
They’ve done some really clever experiments to show that some plants at least, can learn and remember things.
Again, I don’t put crazy high odds. I’d probably put the odds that an oak tree is conscious at about the same probability I put on a worm being conscious.
I recommend reading The Hidden Life of Trees for an infodump about all of the crazy things trees do if you’re curious about this sort of thing.