I found a trick somewhere on the net for clearing a blocked nose (even very blocked). Hold your nose, inhale deeply, then repeat tipping your head back for four seconds, and then forward for four seconds. Breath out slowly. Then hold your breath as long as you can, still tipping forward and back every four seconds and holding your nose. Eventually you inhale and all the gunk just sort of flows out of your nasal cavity. Warning… much gagging, spluttering and spitting at this point. But it’s worth it.
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Possibly asking something like “you’re good at finding points that back up your beliefs, but you also need to spend time thinking about points that might contradict your beliefs. How many contradictory points can you think of over the next five minutes?”
Usually “Monty Hall”?
Well there is this little classic that is apparently being made into a movie https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/k067x/could_i_destroy_the_entire_roman_empire_during/c2giwm4
I think you are making an unjustified assumption, e.g. ”… that I will pop into existence again...”, that there is an “I”. There is a pattern of information that feels that it experiences qualia, and then later possibly there is another pattern of information that feels that it experiences qualia, and possibly with additional information representing memories corresponding to the first set of information. Shifting to this viewpoint dissolves the question. If we accept that qualia is an illusion then we still have an interesting question about how the illusion occurs, but many other tricky issues go away.
Advanced quickly for a while due to a complete change in algorithm, but then we seem to have hit a plateau again. It’s still an enormous climb to world champion level. It’s not obvious that this will be achieved.
Looking at SHRDLU output just trying to recreate that looks pretty challenging for the modern coder, let alone decades ago. A little Lisp goes a long way.
If you are trying to be all formal about it, it’s good to start by defining your terminology. What do you mean by Consciousness and what do you mean by existence?
I’m trying to be slightly formal, but without getting too bogged down. Instead I would prefer to take a few shortcuts to see if the road ahead looks promising at all. So far I feel that the best I’ve managed is to say “If a system seems to itself to experience consciousness in the same way that we seem to experience it, then we can call it conscious”.
I am pretty sure you have no firm understanding of what you are talking about,
Not as sure as I am ;-) But I am trying to improve my understanding, and have no intention of writing philosophy papers.
So it sounds like you’re saying the details may all be correct but the high level interpretation of the results is significantly overreaching. Not too unexpected, I guess.
It seems there may actually be some experimental evidence in this area, https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 with the experiment details at http://arxiv.org/abs/1310.4691
It blows my mind that there could be anything experimentally detectable, even in principle.
Any WBE could in theory be simulated by a mathematical function (as far as I can see). So what I really want to know is: can a mathematical function experience qualia? (and/or consciousness) By experience I mean that whatever experiencing qualia is to us it would have something directly analogous (e.g. if qualia is an illusion then the function has the same sort of illusion).
Conscious functions possible? Currently I’m leaning towards yes. If true, to me the implication would be that the “me” in my head is not my neurons, but the information encoded therein.
Here are some details http://senseis.xmp.net/?RuleDisputesInvolvingGoSeigen
In computer science an elite coder might take 6 months to finish a very hard task (e.g. create some kind of tricky OS kernel), but a poor coder will never complete the task. This makes the elite coder infinitely better than the poor coder. Furthermore the poor coder will ask many questions of other people, impacting their productivity. Thus an elite coder is transfinitely more efficient than a poor coder ;-)
Chinese rules for Go are quite simple. Japanese rules are quite complex (to the point where a world championship level match had a rule disagreement that resulted in a player agreeing to being forced to play a certain move in return for a promise that the rule would get changed in the future. Ouch.)
Maybe interstellar travel is really, really hard—no matter what your level of technology.
Maybe 99% of the habitable planets in the galaxy have been sterilized by unfriendly AI and we owe our current existence to the anthropomorphic principle.
Maybe highly rational entities decide large-scale interstellar travel is suboptimal.
Probably a bunch more possibilities here...
Relying on a small number of strong arguments (or even one) has a clear drawback. Change. A new discovery can invalidate a single argument that seemed very strong in that past. Many weaker arguments have more stability.
Charles Babbage against Organ Grinders.
If it’s a pencil line then it’s got carbon atoms ;-)
Don’t explode when somebody says, “Why?”
Have you ever seen this paper that claims a complexity analysis of the Viking lander experiment results can’t be explained by chemistry alone? Interesting stuff...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257958533_Complexity_Analysis_of_the_Viking_Labeled_Release_Experiments