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Dan H
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Here is a chapter from an upcoming textbook on complex systems with discussion of their application to AI safety: https://www.aisafetybook.com/textbook/5-1
> My understanding is that we already know that backdoors are hard to remove.
We don’t actually find that backdoors are always hard to remove!We did already know that backdoors often (from the title) “Persist Through Safety Training.” This phenomenon studied here and elsewhere is being taken as the main update in favor of AI x-risk. This doesn’t establish probability of the hazard, but it reminds us that backdoor hazards can persist if present.
I think it’s very easy to argue the hazard could emerge from malicious actors poisoning pretraining data, and harder to argue it would arise naturally. AI security researchers such as Carlini et al. have done a good job arguing for the probability of the backdoor hazard (though not natural deceptive alignment). (I think malicious actors unleashing rogue AIs is a concern for the reasons bio GCRs are a concern; if one does it, it could be devastating.)
I think this paper shows the community at large will pay orders of magnitude more attention to a research area when there is, in @TurnTrout’s words, AGI threat scenario “window dressing,” or when players from an EA-coded group research a topic. (I’ve been suggesting more attention to backdoors since maybe 2019; here’s a video from a few years ago about the topic; we’ve also run competitions at NeurIPS with thousands of submissions on backdoors.) Ideally the community would pay more attention to relevant research microcosms that don’t have the window dressing.
I think AI security-related topics have a very good track record of being relevant for x-risk (backdoors, unlearning, adversarial robustness). It’s a been better portfolio than the EA AGI x-risk community portfolio (decision theory, feature visualizations, inverse reinforcement learning, natural abstractions, infrabayesianism, etc.). At a high level its saying power is because AI security is largely about extreme reliability; extreme reliability is not automatically provided by scaling, but most other desiderata are (e.g., commonsense understanding of what people like and dislike).
A request: Could Anthropic employees not call supervised fine-tuning and related techniques “safety training?” OpenAI/Anthropic have made “alignment” in the ML community become synonymous with fine-tuning, which is a big loss. Calling this “alignment training” consistently would help reduce the watering down of the word “safety.”
I agree that this is an important frontier (and am doing a big project on this).
Almost all datasets have label noise. Most 4-way multiple choice NLP datasets collected with MTurk have ~10% label noise, very roughly. My guess is MMLU has 1-2%. I’ve seen these sorts of label noise posts/papers/videos come out for pretty much every major dataset (CIFAR, ImageNet, etc.).
The purpose of this is to test and forecast problem-solving ability, using examples that substantially lose informativeness in the presence of Python executable scripts. I think this restriction isn’t an ideological statement about what sort of alignment strategies we want.
I think there’s a clear enough distinction between Transformers with and without tools. The human brain can also be viewed as a computational machine, but when exams say “no calculators,” they’re not banning mental calculation, rather specific tools.
It was specified in the beginning of 2022 in https://www.metaculus.com/questions/8840/ai-performance-on-math-dataset-before-2025/#comment-77113 In your metaculus question you may not have added that restriction. I think the question is much less interesting/informative if it does not have that restriction. The questions were designed assuming there’s no calculator access. It’s well-known many AIME problems are dramatically easier with a powerful calculator, since one could bash 1000 options and find the number that works for many problems. That’s no longer testing problem-solving ability; it tests the ability to set up a simple script so loses nearly all the signal. Separately, the human results we collected was with a no calculator restriction. AMC/AIME exams have a no calculator restriction. There are different maths competitions that allow calculators, but there are substantially fewer quality questions of that sort.
I think MMLU+calculator is fine though since many of the exams from which MMLU draws allow calculators.
Usage of calculators and scripts are disqualifying on many competitive maths exams. Results obtained this way wouldn’t count (this was specified some years back). However, that is an interesting paper worth checking out.
Neurotechnology, brain computer interface, whole brain emulation, and “lo-fi” uploading approaches to produce human-aligned software intelligence
Thank you for doing this.
There’s a literature on this topic. (paper list, lecture/slides/homework)
Plug: CAIS is funding constrained.
Why was the AI Alignment community so unprepared for engaging with the wider world when the moment finally came?
In 2022, I think it was becoming clear that there’d be a huge flood of interest. Why did I think this? Here are some reasons: I’ve long thought that once MMLU performance crosses a threshold, Google would start to view AI as an existential threat to their search engine, and it seemed like in 2023 that threshold would be crossed. Second, at a rich person’s party, there were many highly plugged-in elites who were starting to get much more anxious about AI (this was before ChatGPT), which updated me that the tide may turn soon.
Since I believed the interest would shift so much, I changed how I spent my time a lot in 2022: I started doing substantially less technical work to instead work on outreach and orienting documents. Here are several projects I did, some for targeted for the expert community and some targeted towards the general public:
We ran an AI arguments writing competition. After seeing that we could not crowdsource AI risk writing to the community through contests last year, I also started work on An Overview of Catastrophic Risks last winter. We had a viable draft several in April, but then I decided to restructure it, which required rewriting it and making it longer. This document was partly a synthesis of the submissions from the first round of the AI arguments competition, so fortunately the competition did not go to waste. Apologies the document took so long.
Last summer and fall, I worked on explaining a different AI risk to a lay audience in Natural Selection Favors AIs over Humans (apparently this doom path polls much better than treacherous turn stories; I held onto the finished paper for months and waited for GPT-4′s release before releasing it to have good timing).
X-Risk Analysis for AI Research tries to systematically articulate how to analyze AI research’s relation to x-risk for a technical audience. It was my first go at writing about AI x-risk for the ML research community. I recognize this paper was around a year ahead of its time and maybe I should have held onto it to release it later.
Finally, after a conversation with Kelsey Piper and the aforementioned party, I was inspired to work on a textbook An Introduction to AI Safety, Ethics, and Society. This is by far the largest writing project I’ve been a part of. Currently, the only way to become an AI x-risk expert is to live in Berkeley. I want to reduce this barrier as much as possible, relate AI risk to existing literatures, and let people have a more holistic understanding of AI risk (I think people should have a basic understanding of all of corrigibility, international coordination for AI, deception, etc.). This book is not an ML PhD topics book; it’s more to give generalists good models. The textbook’s contents will start to be released section-by-section on a daily basis starting late this month or next month. Normally textbooks take several years to make, so I’m happy this will be out relatively quickly.
One project we only started in 2023 is newsletter, so we can’t claim prescience for that.
If you want more AI risk outputs, CAIS is funding-constrained and is currently fundraising for a writer.
No good deed goes unpunished. By default there would likely be no advising.
A brief overview of the contents, page by page.
1: most important century and hinge of history
2: wisdom needs to keep up with technological power or else self-destruction / the world is fragile / cuban missile crisis
3: unilateralist’s curse
4: bio x-risk
5: malicious actors intentionally building power-seeking AIs / anti-human accelerationism is common in tech
6: persuasive AIs and eroded epistemics
7: value lock-in and entrenched totalitarianism
8: story about bioterrorism
9: practical malicious use suggestions
10: LAWs as an on-ramp to AI x-risk
11: automated cyberwarfare → global destablization
12: flash war, AIs in control of nuclear command and control
13: security dilemma means AI conflict can bring us to brink of extinction
14: story about flash war
15: erosion of safety due to corporate AI race
16: automation of AI research; autnomous/ascended economy; enfeeblement
17: AI development reinterpreted as evolutionary process
18: AI development is not aligned with human values but with competitive and evolutionary pressures
19: gorilla argument, AIs could easily outclass humans in so many ways
20: story about an autonomous economy
21: practical AI race suggestions
22: examples of catastrophic accidents in various industries
23: potential AI catastrophes from accidents, Normal Accidents
24: emergent AI capabilities, unknown unknowns
25: safety culture (with nuclear weapons development examples), security mindset
26: sociotechnical systems, safety vs. capabilities
27: safetywashing, defense in depth
28: story about weak safety culture
29: practical suggestions for organizational safety
30: more practical suggestions for organizational safety
31: bing and microsoft tay demonstrate how AIs can be surprisingly unhinged/difficult to steer
32: proxy gaming/reward hacking
33: goal drift
34: spurious cues can cause AIs to pursue wrong goals/intrinsification
35: power-seeking (tool use, self-preservation)
36: power-seeking continued (AIs with different goals could be uniquely adversarial)
37: deception examples
38: treacherous turns and self-awareness
39: practical suggestions for AI control
40: how AI x-risk relates to other risks
41: conclusion
but I’m confident it isn’t trying to do this
It is. It’s an outer alignment benchmark for text-based agents (such as GPT-4), and it includes measurements for deception, resource acquisition, various forms of power, killing, and so on. Separately, it’s to show reward maximization induces undesirable instrumental (Machiavellian) behavior in less toyish environments, and is about improving the tradeoff between ethical behavior and reward maximization. It doesn’t get at things like deceptive alignment, as discussed in the x-risk sheet in the appendix. Apologies that the paper is so dense, but that’s because it took over a year.
successful interpretability tools want to be debugging/analysis tools of the type known to be very useful for capability progress
Give one example of a substantial state-of-the-art advance that decisively influenced by transparency; I ask since you said “known to be.” Saying that it’s conceivable isn’t evidence they’re actually highly entangled in practice. The track record is that transparency research gives us differential technological progress and pretty much zero capabilities externalities.
In the DL paradigm you can’t easily separate capabilities and alignment
This is true for conceptual analysis. Empirically they can be separated by measurement. Record general capabilities metrics (e.g., generally downstream accuracy) and record safety metrics (e.g., trojan detection performance); see whether an intervention improves a safety goal and whether it improves general capabilities or not. For various safety research areas there aren’t externalities. (More discussion of on this topic here.)
forcing that separation seems to constrain us
I think the poor epistemics on this topic has encouraged risk taking, have reduced the pressure to find clear safety goals, and allowed researchers to get away with “trust me I’m making the right utility calculations and have the right empirical intuitions” which is a very unreliable standard of evidence in deep learning.
I asked for permission via Intercom to post this series on March 29th. Later, I asked for permission to use the [Draft] indicator and said it was written by others. I got permission for both of these, but the same person didn’t give permission for both of these requests. Apologies this was not consolidated into one big ask with lots of context. (Feel free to get rid of any undue karma.)
It’s a good observation that it’s more efficient; does it trade off performance? (These sorts of comparisons would probably be demanded if it was submitted to any other truth-seeking ML venue, and I apologize for consistently being the person applying the pressures that generic academics provide. It would be nice if authors would provide these comparisons.)
Also, taking affine combinations in weight-space is not novel to Schmidt et al either. If nothing else, the Stable Diffusion community has been doing that since October to add and subtract capabilities from models.
It takes months to write up these works, and since the Schmidt paper was in December, it is not obvious who was first in all senses. The usual standard is to count the time a standard-sized paper first appeared on arXiv, so the most standard sense they are first. (Inside conferences, a paper is considered prior art if it was previously published, not just if it was arXived, but outside most people just keep track of when it was arXived.) Otherwise there are arms race dynamics leading to everyone spamming snippets before doing careful, extensive science.
steering the model using directions in activation space is more valuable than doing the same with weights, because in the future the consequences of cognition might be far-removed from its weights (deep deceptiveness)
(You linked to “deep deceptiveness,” and I’m going to assume is related to self-deception (discussed in the academic literature and in the AI and evolution paper). If it isn’t, then this point is still relevant for alignment since self-deception is another internal hazard.)
I think one could argue that self-deception could in some instances be spotted in the weights more easily than in the activations. Often the functionality acquired by self-deception is not activated, but it may be more readily apparent in the weights. Hence I don’t see this as a strong reason to dismiss https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.04089. I would want a weight version of a method and an activation version of a method; they tend to have different strengths.
Note: If you’re wanting to keep track of safety papers outside of LW/AF, papers including https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.04089 were tweeted on https://twitter.com/topofmlsafety and posted on https://www.reddit.com/r/mlsafety
Edit: I see passive disagreement but no refutation. The argument against weights was of the form “here’s a strength activations has”; for it to be enough to dismiss the paper without discussion, that must be an extremely strong property to outweigh all of its potential merits, or it is a Pareto-improvement. Those don’t seem corroborated or at all obvious.
If people are interested, many of these concepts and others are discussed in the context of AI safety in this publicly available chapter: https://www.aisafetybook.com/textbook/4-1