Ok, I edited the comment.
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Why not just use the original sentence, with only the name changed? I don’t see what is supposed to be accomplished by the other substitutions.
I see. If the issue here is only with extended socratic dialogues, rather than any criticism which is perceived as low-effort, that wasn’t clear to me. I wouldn’t be nearly as opposed to banning the former, if that could be operationalized in a reasonable way.
I can’t read Duncan’s mind and have no direct access to facts about his ultimate motivations. I can be much more confident that a person who is currently getting away with doing X has reason to dislike a rule that would prevent X. So the “I suspect” was much more about the second clause than the first. I find this so obvious that it never occurred to me that it could be read another way.
I don’t accept Duncan’s stand-in sentence “I suspect that Eric won’t like the zoo, because he wants to stay out of the sun.” as being properly analogous, because staying out of the sun is not something people typically need to hide or deny.
To be honest, I think I have to take this exchange as further evidence that Duncan is operating in bad faith. (Within this particular conflict, not necessarily in general.)
I’ll go along with whatever rules you decide on, but that seems like an extremely long time to wait for basic clarifications like “what did you mean by this word” or “can you give a real-world example”.
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One technical solution that occurs to me is to allow explicitly marking a post as half-baked, and therefore only open to criticism that comes along with substantial effort towards improving the post, or fully-baked and open to any criticism. However, I suspect that Duncan won’t like this idea, because [edit: I suspect that] he wants to maintain a motte-and-bailey where his posts are half-baked when someone criticizes them but fully-baked when it’s time to apportion status.
Do you think the original proponents of Standpoint Epistemology would agree that it’s simply a logical consequence of Aumann’s agreement theorem?
These statements seem awfully close to being unfalsifiable. The amount of research and development coming from twitter in the 5 years before the acquisition was already pretty much negligible, so there’s no difference there. How long do we need to wait for lawsuits or loss of clients to cause observable consequences?
Twitter recently fired a majority of its workforce (I’ve seen estimates from 50% to 90%) and seems to be chugging along just fine. This strongly implies that at least that many jobs were bullshit, but it’s unlikely that the new management was able to perfectly identify all bullshitters, so it’s only a lower bound. Sometimes contributions can be illegible, but there are also extremely strong incentives to obfuscate.
Suppose the IRS requires 100 pages of paperwork per employee. This used to take 10 hours. Now with GPT-4, as a thought experiment, let’s say it takes 1 hour.
The long run result might be 500 pages of more complicated paperwork that takes 10 hours even with GPT-4, while accomplishing nothing. That still will take time. It is not so easy or fast to come up with 400 more pages. I’d assume that would take at least a decade.
This seems to neglect the possibility that GPT-4 could be used, not just to accomplish bullshit tasks, but also to invent new bullshit tasks much faster than humans could.
This post is currently tagged “security mindset” but the advice seems close to the opposite of security mindset; it amounts to just trying to be extra careful, and if that doesn’t work, hoping the damage isn’t too bad. Security mindset would require strategies to make a leak impossible or at least extremely unlikely.
Remember when Google Shopping used to be an actual search index of pretty much every online store? You could effortlessly find even the most obscure products and comparison shop between literally thousands of sellers. Then one day they decided to make it pay-to-play and put advertisers in control of what appears on there. Now it’s pretty much useless to me. I think a similar process has happened with Search, just more gradually. Your experience with it probably has a lot to do with how well your tastes and preferences happen to align with what advertisers want to steer people toward.
Sorry, I’ve edited my comment with the working link.
It’s absurd to equate the shaky and informal coalition of Russia, China, Iran, and Syria with the 750+ extraterritorial bases, worldwide naval dominance, and global surveillance network of the US Military.
Language models seem to do a pretty good job at judging text “quality” in a way that agrees with humans. And of course, they’re good at generating new text. Could it be useful for a model to generate a bunch of output, filter it for quality by its own judgment, and then continue training on its own output? If so, would it be possible to “bootstrap” arbitrary amounts of extra training data?
But you’d have to be one really stupid correctional officer to get an order to disable the cameras around Epstein’s cell the night he was murdered, and not know who killed him after he dies. Even if you were that dumb, it seems like something you would mention unless you were threatened, in which case you obviously are now a possible defecting member of the plot.
If I were a prison guard who had just seen a well-connected group of conspirators murder someone who had become inconvenient to them and easily get away with it, it seems to me that one of the stupidest things I could possibly do would be to tell anyone about it. Why would they need to explicitly threaten me? We both understand there’s no one I could “defect” to who could stop them or protect me.
That said, it took the software industry a long time to learn all the ways to NOT solve XSS before people really understood what a correct fix looked like. It often takes many many examples in the reference class before a clear fundamental solution can be seen.
This is true about the average software developer, but unlike in AI alignment, the correct fix was at least known to a few people from the beginning.
As someone who has watched “Century of the Self” I’d guess it’s more along the lines of
What people want is not what they need. People don’t need much help to self-improve in ways which are already consonant with their natural desires and self-image. So any safe and effective self-improvement program would be a nonstarter in the free market because it would immediately repel the very people who could benefit from it.
It doesn’t bother me, because I’m me, with the propensity to make the choices I’m determined to make. If I had chosen otherwise, I would not be me.
Suppose I love chocolate ice cream and hate vanilla ice cream. When I choose to eat chocolate ice cream, it’s an expression of the fact that I prefer chocolate ice cream. I have free will in the sense that if I preferred vanilla instead, I could have chosen vanilla, but in fact I prefer chocolate so I won’t choose vanilla.