This is interesting! .
my understanding of jhana is that it’s something that should arise naturally without even trying.
I’m curious if there’s a particular school of Buddhism or text(s) that informed your understanding of jhana? I would be curious to learn different takes on it, especially those that are more established.
intentionally creating meditation debt so that people can experience jhana via goodharting on the idea of the feeling of joy
Could you elaborate on what “meditation debt” means here?
you couldn’t trick yourself into mixing up joy for the idea of joy.
This is a somewhat reassuring idea, that maybe I am resistant to self-deception.
I’m glad that in the end you ended up feeling happier!
Thank you.
There was this twitter thread which seems very related. Someone bought a clicker counter to train themselves to notice joy and used this to reach the jhanas, and Mark Lippman replied with a warning against this kind of clicker practice, for causing “sharp, tangled karma”.
Any recommendations for starting Zen (e.g. books, retreat recordings)? Is this one of the practices where having a teacher is essential?