ITTs and steelmanning feel like they serve different (though overlapping) purposes to me. For example, if I am talking with people who are not X (libertarians, socialists, transhumanists, car-owners...), we can try to steelman an argument in favor of X together. But we can’t do an ITT of X, since that would require us to talk to someone who is X.
Yes, though I assume the best test for whether you really steelman someone would be if you can take a break and ask her whether your representation fits.
I don’t think an ITT is a good test of a steelman. Often you’re coming from a different frame from someone else, and strong arguments to you will be framed completely differently from strong arguments for someone else.
ITTs and steelmanning feel like they serve different (though overlapping) purposes to me. For example, if I am talking with people who are not X (libertarians, socialists, transhumanists, car-owners...), we can try to steelman an argument in favor of X together. But we can’t do an ITT of X, since that would require us to talk to someone who is X.
Yes, though I assume the best test for whether you really steelman someone would be if you can take a break and ask her whether your representation fits.
I don’t think an ITT is a good test of a steelman. Often you’re coming from a different frame from someone else, and strong arguments to you will be framed completely differently from strong arguments for someone else.
Yes maybe an ITT tests a fleshman instead of a steelman or a strawman...