Yup, conquest is also part of the kind of sex denoted by “fuck”.
You mostly seem to be proving my point that the reason the word is jolting is because the kind of sex it denotes makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I claim the majority of people want to fuck and/or like to fuck. (Certainly the overwhelming majority I’ve fucked love it!) So why are you so uncomfortable with people talking about fucking, outside of their own bedrooms? Seems pretty sus to be grossed out by the topic, if you actually do not have any hangups about that kind of sex!
As for what the word choice offers: more information and accuracy, just like I said upthread. Why use less precise and descriptive words, when more precise and descriptive words are readily available and don’t even take extra space? This would just be common sense in any other everyday domain. And indeed, I am talking about fucking in much the same way I would talk about any other everyday domain. Why wouldn’t I?
I don’t conceptualize them that way. I fucked someone; that does not mean I conquered them in any sense beyond the fucking itself. Perhaps you are bringing in a frame where fucking someone implies bringing them low in some way that extends beyond the sex. But I never said anything like that, do not think anything like that, and do not generally live in that frame. This is your associations talking, not mine, and frankly it does not sound like a healthy way to relate to fucking.
hey, i don’t think that you do, and have not at any point. but we’re not legislating what’s in your heart, we’re trying to understand why some had a negative reaction to your word choice.
my understanding of your model of the offense:
people see the word ‘fuck’
they think of ‘very erotic’ sex
they are not comfortable with this, for possibly complex reasons
they are offended.
i suggest instead that what’s happening is
people see the word ‘fuck’
they think of what is (to them) a far more common usage of the word: a sort of conquest/damage
gross!
anyway, sorry if i’ve given the wrong impression in this thread. i don’t think you’ve done anything wrong; i think you were misunderstood. you used a word one way, but readers took it another.
you’ve since clarified what you’ve meant, which is all that the norms of productive discourse can ask.
i disagree with your model of the reader, and present an alternative. but i get the feeling you’re not that interested in this and/or are very confident in your understanding.
Yup, conquest is also part of the kind of sex denoted by “fuck”.
You mostly seem to be proving my point that the reason the word is jolting is because the kind of sex it denotes makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I claim the majority of people want to fuck and/or like to fuck. (Certainly the overwhelming majority I’ve fucked love it!) So why are you so uncomfortable with people talking about fucking, outside of their own bedrooms? Seems pretty sus to be grossed out by the topic, if you actually do not have any hangups about that kind of sex!
As for what the word choice offers: more information and accuracy, just like I said upthread. Why use less precise and descriptive words, when more precise and descriptive words are readily available and don’t even take extra space? This would just be common sense in any other everyday domain. And indeed, I am talking about fucking in much the same way I would talk about any other everyday domain. Why wouldn’t I?
conquest is fun and erotic. conceptualizing your escapades as conquests is gross.
I don’t conceptualize them that way. I fucked someone; that does not mean I conquered them in any sense beyond the fucking itself. Perhaps you are bringing in a frame where fucking someone implies bringing them low in some way that extends beyond the sex. But I never said anything like that, do not think anything like that, and do not generally live in that frame. This is your associations talking, not mine, and frankly it does not sound like a healthy way to relate to fucking.
hey, i don’t think that you do, and have not at any point. but we’re not legislating what’s in your heart, we’re trying to understand why some had a negative reaction to your word choice.
my understanding of your model of the offense:
people see the word ‘fuck’
they think of ‘very erotic’ sex
they are not comfortable with this, for possibly complex reasons
they are offended.
i suggest instead that what’s happening is
people see the word ‘fuck’
they think of what is (to them) a far more common usage of the word: a sort of conquest/damage
gross!
anyway, sorry if i’ve given the wrong impression in this thread. i don’t think you’ve done anything wrong; i think you were misunderstood. you used a word one way, but readers took it another.
you’ve since clarified what you’ve meant, which is all that the norms of productive discourse can ask.
i disagree with your model of the reader, and present an alternative. but i get the feeling you’re not that interested in this and/or are very confident in your understanding.
Alright. Sorry for being grumpy at you, and thank you for the model.