IDK. The concerns in the footnote of attracting crazy people (even against her their wishes), you are aware that I am concerned about as well due to events last year. But I definitely do not want anyone to feel inhibited from writing and socializing if they are well-meaning and it is good for them. Maybe letting her them post personal blogposts but not frontpage posts would be a good compromise? But maybe as mentioned find another adjacent space.
I do. But I think that people who are still committing crimes, and their network of suspected accomplices, are meaningfully different, in that their violence and retaliation is not (yet) contained. This situation seems to me substantially in that direction (e.g. see how someone who had never lived at Lind’s RV property travelled cross-country to kill him) even while it has some meaningful differences.
I mean his comment on this thread. I originally read Ben as saying that if all the associated parties had been cleared or imprisoned, LessWrong would allow posts from the imprisoned parties in general. I think that, in fact, writing on psychology etc would likely be moderated.
On rereading Ben, I think there’s less of a difference than I imagined. Ben points to new people taking action apparently downstream of this thinking & writing. That would suggest continuing to moderate imprisoned folks. So seems like Ben’s comment agrees about the writings of imprisoned parties.
I do not think it is true that the Ziz crew “are still committing crimes” or that “their violence and retaliation is not contained”. I am also not quite sure what you are suggesting with the mention of Snyder. I would point to @AprilSR’s comment here (and subsequent subthread). Slimepriestess isn’t banned, Chase isn’t banned.
Nobody has even been prosecuted for the Zajko double-homicide. If the killers are some combo of LaSota/Zajko/Blank, then one of them is free and we’re waiting to see how long the gun-possession charges play out. If it’s someone else, then they’re free.
I’m not sure if I think “substantially in that direction” is in fact an unreasonable position? Like, I really don’t expect any additional Ziz-related violence except insofar as you count anti-AI violence by people who happen to have read Sinceriously at some point or something, but—I don’t think the situation is understood sufficiently clearly that it makes sense to expect everyone to be totally certain of that, and regardless it’s still appreciably distinct from “there was one guy without any accomplices who is in jail” or whatever.
(...I guess I’m not sure exactly what Ziz/Zajko would get up to if released from prison.)
Yes, but I think it matters what the letters were about and what the murders were about. Minor (the man from my example) was paranoid about the Irish but reliable about quotations and the meanings of words. I don’t think it would have made sense to publish his writings about the Irish.
Yeah I see. Cretarei say they don’t want to talk about Ziz again after that, but I see how you could have a broader definition of what “writings about the Irish” mean in the analogy (e.g. discussion of psychology).
i think you should let them post.
IDK. The concerns in the footnote of attracting crazy people (even against
hertheir wishes), you are aware that I am concerned about as well due to events last year. But I definitely do not want anyone to feel inhibited from writing and socializing if they are well-meaning and it is good for them. Maybe lettingherthem post personal blogposts but not frontpage posts would be a good compromise? But maybe as mentioned find another adjacent space.@Vaniver do you still hold that “Less Wrong the website should accept letters from murderers in asylums”?
I do. But I think that people who are still committing crimes, and their network of suspected accomplices, are meaningfully different, in that their violence and retaliation is not (yet) contained. This situation seems to me substantially in that direction (e.g. see how someone who had never lived at Lind’s RV property travelled cross-country to kill him) even while it has some meaningful differences.
I predict that LessWrong would moderate an imprisoned Ziz’s writing in accord with Vaniver’s comment, rather than yours.
(Wait, considering Vaniver has commented here too, what comment do you mean, and in what direction do you think the difference is?)
I mean his comment on this thread. I originally read Ben as saying that if all the associated parties had been cleared or imprisoned, LessWrong would allow posts from the imprisoned parties in general. I think that, in fact, writing on psychology etc would likely be moderated.
On rereading Ben, I think there’s less of a difference than I imagined. Ben points to new people taking action apparently downstream of this thinking & writing. That would suggest continuing to moderate imprisoned folks. So seems like Ben’s comment agrees about the writings of imprisoned parties.
I do not think it is true that the Ziz crew “are still committing crimes” or that “their violence and retaliation is not contained”. I am also not quite sure what you are suggesting with the mention of Snyder. I would point to @AprilSR’s comment here (and subsequent subthread). Slimepriestess isn’t banned, Chase isn’t banned.
Nobody has even been prosecuted for the Zajko double-homicide. If the killers are some combo of LaSota/Zajko/Blank, then one of them is free and we’re waiting to see how long the gun-possession charges play out. If it’s someone else, then they’re free.
[Update: Zajko charged for the double-homicide.]
I’m not sure if I think “substantially in that direction” is in fact an unreasonable position? Like, I really don’t expect any additional Ziz-related violence except insofar as you count anti-AI violence by people who happen to have read Sinceriously at some point or something, but—I don’t think the situation is understood sufficiently clearly that it makes sense to expect everyone to be totally certain of that, and regardless it’s still appreciably distinct from “there was one guy without any accomplices who is in jail” or whatever.
(...I guess I’m not sure exactly what Ziz/Zajko would get up to if released from prison.)
Yes, but I think it matters what the letters were about and what the murders were about. Minor (the man from my example) was paranoid about the Irish but reliable about quotations and the meanings of words. I don’t think it would have made sense to publish his writings about the Irish.
Yeah I see. Cretarei say they don’t want to talk about Ziz again after that, but I see how you could have a broader definition of what “writings about the Irish” mean in the analogy (e.g. discussion of psychology).