I think one thing I didn’t communicate in the post is that I don’t necessarily intend to hypothesize deep nonconsent as a terminal preference. So, for instance,
women are scared men will get angry if they go from “yes” to “no”, in a way they won’t if the woman goes from “----” to “no”, so women delay being explicit until they have all the information
sounds to me like one of many possible generators of deep nonconsent preference—i.e. it’s directly explaining why women would typically have a deep-in-the-sense-of-appearing-in-lots-of-places preference for nonconsent behavior. It therefore sounds not-at-all at odds with the post, or at least what I had in mind when writing the post.
I definitely took the original post to be describing a terminal value rather than manifestation of something deeper, if you meant instrumental that handles a lot of my objections.
But while I’m here, another data point: I’ve heard multiple young women say they won’t make explicit requests in bed because what they mean is “weight this action moderately higher among your list of options” but the dude hears “keep doing this on rote until I give you another instruction”. I haven’t heard this from anyone over 30, hopefully it means someone learned something.
Just one data point: to me your post feel shallow in a good way. I can say: “I can’t help but note how all this annoying behaviour suddenly become endearing to me when I am in love.” but it feels like I am deepening your post, not contradicting it. Am I gesturing at non-terminal property you mentioned? P.S. just noticed I am using “shallow” when there is literally “deep” in headline. Yet this is my impression.
I think one thing I didn’t communicate in the post is that I don’t necessarily intend to hypothesize deep nonconsent as a terminal preference. So, for instance,
sounds to me like one of many possible generators of deep nonconsent preference—i.e. it’s directly explaining why women would typically have a deep-in-the-sense-of-appearing-in-lots-of-places preference for nonconsent behavior. It therefore sounds not-at-all at odds with the post, or at least what I had in mind when writing the post.
I think you should have chosen a different word than deep (“Inner, underlying, true; relating to one’s inner or private being rather than what is visible on the surface.”).
“Pervasive”, “recurrent”, “systematic” …?
I definitely took the original post to be describing a terminal value rather than manifestation of something deeper, if you meant instrumental that handles a lot of my objections.
But while I’m here, another data point: I’ve heard multiple young women say they won’t make explicit requests in bed because what they mean is “weight this action moderately higher among your list of options” but the dude hears “keep doing this on rote until I give you another instruction”. I haven’t heard this from anyone over 30, hopefully it means someone learned something.
Just one data point: to me your post feel shallow in a good way. I can say: “I can’t help but note how all this annoying behaviour suddenly become endearing to me when I am in love.” but it feels like I am deepening your post, not contradicting it. Am I gesturing at non-terminal property you mentioned?
P.S. just noticed I am using “shallow” when there is literally “deep” in headline. Yet this is my impression.