I do not trust the mean, median, and modal LW users to reliably use “agree/disagree” to mean “true or mostly containing truth/false or mostly containing falsehood.”
I’m confused by this, since to me it’s not even a question of trust, to me it seems like “agree/disagree” means “I think this is true/false”. In my head, to agree with a claim means that you think it’s true, and to disagree with a claim means that you think it’s false. (Of course, that also means that I’d be fine with changing the names.) Of course, “agree” does have some other meanings too (like “I agree to these terms of service”), but all of them seem clearly inapplicable to this context?
I strongly feel that penguins are the noblest of God’s creatures.
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I’m a utilitarian, and by a utilitarian calculus as I understand it, all pigeons should be replaced with penguins at once.
Would you say that, for each of these posts, “agree” means “I think this is true”? If so, what would it mean to “disagree” with any of these? They are (with one partial exception) simply reports of the commenter’s views. Does “disagree” mean “You are lying or mistaken about what you claim to believe”? If not, then it seems to me that “disagree” must (at least sometimes!) mean something different from, or at least something more subtle/nuanced than, merely “I think this is false”.
I think that you and similar people who are confused at my reaction (e.g. Oli, e.g. at least a little bit Rob) are basically … colorblind to something?
Like, I think that because it seems so obvious to you that agree/disagree is just about true/false that you’re not seeing how many many LWers would not and are not using it in that manner.
On a forum made up of just Kajs, Olis, and Robs, I would not have negative feelings about the way the second vote is used. But I think that its current agree/disagree label is much more ambiguous for people unlike yourselves, and so you’re not seeing why it needs to be more carefully specified (if we want distress like mine to be less in the mix).
It’s certainly possible that we’re colorblind to something, that’s why I was hoping for examples of what those alternative meanings could be so I could better understand what that something is. (And feel like I got them from Said’s response.)
I’m confused by this, since to me it’s not even a question of trust, to me it seems like “agree/disagree” means “I think this is true/false”. In my head, to agree with a claim means that you think it’s true, and to disagree with a claim means that you think it’s false. (Of course, that also means that I’d be fine with changing the names.) Of course, “agree” does have some other meanings too (like “I agree to these terms of service”), but all of them seem clearly inapplicable to this context?
Consider the following hypothetical posts:
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Would you say that, for each of these posts, “agree” means “I think this is true”? If so, what would it mean to “disagree” with any of these? They are (with one partial exception) simply reports of the commenter’s views. Does “disagree” mean “You are lying or mistaken about what you claim to believe”? If not, then it seems to me that “disagree” must (at least sometimes!) mean something different from, or at least something more subtle/nuanced than, merely “I think this is false”.
These were useful examples, thanks.
I think that you and similar people who are confused at my reaction (e.g. Oli, e.g. at least a little bit Rob) are basically … colorblind to something?
Like, I think that because it seems so obvious to you that agree/disagree is just about true/false that you’re not seeing how many many LWers would not and are not using it in that manner.
On a forum made up of just Kajs, Olis, and Robs, I would not have negative feelings about the way the second vote is used. But I think that its current agree/disagree label is much more ambiguous for people unlike yourselves, and so you’re not seeing why it needs to be more carefully specified (if we want distress like mine to be less in the mix).
It’s certainly possible that we’re colorblind to something, that’s why I was hoping for examples of what those alternative meanings could be so I could better understand what that something is. (And feel like I got them from Said’s response.)