But how can Lean be so reliable?
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Why so many people think Navier-Stokes solution is real? Anyone wants to bet?
Feeding criminals might be net bad
it may also open way to stopping corruption and formation of totalitarian regimes if you brain scan political leaders. Which is still kinda bad but can be acceptable as politicians “should be servants of their people” during terms.
amazing, very important post for 400 karma (sarcasm) . Will be something to remember when we fail to positively influence the future.
Maybe we should have double karma system for posts too? Like interesting vs useful
I think it’s counterproductive from practical point of view to mix AI safety with controversial politics about immigration and protests/sabotaging law enforcement. feels like a failure pattern from politics is the mind killer. thinking that military use of AI is bad should be an enough reason.
What on Earth was the point of choosing this as an example? To rouse the political emotions of the readers and distract them from the main question? To make Republicans feel unwelcome in courses on artificial intelligence and discourage them from entering the field?
Shutting down may have a critical positive effect ~only when there are other visceral signs of AI danger, I second these points.
Maybe analogy might be developed somehow like this: all competitors live in the same city. Inside the same walls. It`s just they try to pull horses in different districts.
Its not clear to me that shutting company 1 and then shutting company 2 later in time is easer than shutting both companies at the same time in the future. I dont really wanna argue for any conclusion though.
Some “intuition pump” of where this pattern dosent hold: if you want to stop 2 snowballs from rolling down the hill stopping only 1 will make the other grow faster and you wont be able to stop it at all. Snowballs collide with eachother and slow themselves down.
taboo “knowledge”?
Our current world state is not much different from that. Just instead of “time” we have money as currency. If they end you will most likely die of hunger, not considering surviving in the forest. Just because of being used to it we dont see it as a horrible state of things, so I see being concerned specifically about AI agents as a mistake.
Btw is it clear that more control of US government on AI companies is bad for safety in the long term? Yes, locally AI can be used for ~bad, things, but it may be easier to coordinate with different countries or to slow progress down in the face of danger. Because government will be 1 agent instead of 4 companies racing with each other (even in 1 country) and is not motivated by increasing profits.
Btw is it clear that more control of US government on AI companies is bad for safety in the long term? Yes, locally AI can be used for ~bad, things, but it may be easier to coordinate with different countries or to slow progress down in the face of danger. Because government will be 1 agent instead of 4 companies racing with each other (even in 1 country) and is not motivated by increasing profits.
Comment with practically 0 infromational value (due to total absence of context) but 37 12 karma/agreement feels like “twitter” in the bad sence of this concept, not LW. Which is very sad for me as an old reader. You probably mean something related to american politics, but I suppose many users are not american and dont even have much knowledge about this things. Maybe you mean something totally different. Maybe OpenAI and antrophic drama? I cant even make sense from this.
Okay, maybe you are correct. The point about “cannibal” name is deeper though—yes, it would be kinda stupid to feed theories which you would prefer to hide. On the other hand you may find it very funny to do “crime at the light of the day”/power move or advertisement with hint (anyway no one would expect such arrogance and take it seriously) . And it’s a priory very unlikely to call your restaurant cannibal, I suppose. So I think that the name is the evidence for the crimes, in the end.
As I understand it, there is no conspiracy that Francis wasn’t a chef. It’s just not an evidence against him also doing illegal cooking. “Cannibal” name is also a quite weak evidence, of course, but in the context it still is quite notable.
In the files there are many confusing discussions about food—why would Israel premier ministers in multiple messages discuss slicing pizza with Jefry Epstein? Why would beef jerky “walk”? Why would many island visitors be so interested in this particular meal, different ways of cooking and transporting it (and weirdly not delegating much of such tasks)?
I use links mostly because I don’t see enough value in writing long texts about this question myself (and digging really hard into it).
Here’s a video with seemingly good example and analysis. And there is a longer complitation with links. There are actually hundreds of them. Same sources covered “pizza”.
As for the recipe—I haven’t seen this mail, but it can be that sometimes epstein or his friends actually had beef jerky. definitely not in the other contexts though. Or “chef and recipe” are other nicknames and we got the situation wrong.
for me it seemed like files lead to conclusions that there were tens or hundreds of people who participated or at least knew about immoral activities on the island or elsewhere. Googlable things like “beef jerky” and “cheesed pizza” code-words also suggest that scope of activities was extraordinary broad and immoral. Which is kinda confusing, I wouldnt have expected such conspiracy to exist and last.
Supposed scope of JE connections and influence might mean that elite and governments are more connected than one might expect.
“The labs have infinite money,” I would say companies-corporations, not labs