Mati_Roy(Mati Roy)
well, I should unpack “fully isolate” (I meant fully isolate from the virus):
I isolate with another human
I video-chat with multiple humans
I chat in person with other humans outside with 3 meters distance or insider with a full-face mask :)
[Question] Is there any plausible mechanisms for why taking an mRNA vaccine might be undesirable for a young healthy adult?
Am just thinking about this now, so not high confidence.
I’m thinking a total market cap index of all publicly traded companies in the world—unless some stock exchanges are really sketchy for some reasons (I’m aware “sketchy” is ill-defined).
Also maybe a fraction (10%?) stored in a total market cap of deflationary currencies (decentralized ones I suppose, as for centralized ones it’s generally harder to tell if they will become inflationary) as they will presumably become more in demand, in the short term as the economy might transition to them, but also in the long term as the population grows and so those the demand for currency (although if minds start running faster, I think that would decrease the value of currencies as they would be traded more often).
Maybe worlds in which reanimation is possible is correlated with other technological development, and so that might also inform some investments, but not sure which ones, and that starts adding a lot of complexity, at least while we don’t have large prediction markets.
I’m also thinking those investment don’t need to be liquid at all, and REITs often have a higher return because they are less liquid than stock market (AFAIU); so if this is true, then maybe having a lot of investments in REITs would also be beneficial.
[Question] What do you think would be the best investment policy for a cryonics trust?
Those are the questions we intend to use for the icebreakers. No need to read them in advance—just leaving them here in case anyone is interested.
What do you think lead you to be interested in or curious about cryonics?
What’s your probability that cryonics works? Why?
When was the last time you had a significant change in your worldview?
What makes you excited?
What’s your origin story? (or how did you discover cryonics)
What’s a belief you have that you think your cryonics peers would find weird?
What’s your favorite Trolley problem variant?
What makes you excited?
What’s an interesting reaction you got from talking about cryonics?
What’s your lying policy? (ie. when do you find it acceptable to lie)
What do you think are plausible revival scenarios?
What makes you sad?
What was your family’s reaction or how do you think they would react?
What’s a belief you have that you think most people would find weird?
What do you think of as the biggest obstacle to revival? A. Technology required for repair B. Long term stability of the organizations C. Chance of suboptimal preservation (information loss) D. Other
What makes you anxious?
If we’re living in a simulation, would you like to get out of it right now or wait longer?
What are your revival timelines?
The zombie apocalypse is coming, who are 3 people you want on your team?
What gives you wonder?
For the group activity:
What do you think is the best way to market cryonics?
Possible alternatives:
----> What is the best way to increase cryonics membership?
----> What is the best way to popularize cryonics?
I like my comment on the Effective Altruism & Life Extension post ^ _ ^
the reason I posted this article here yesterday is because of the problem that once cryonics will be adopted globally, people will want to get pre-emptively cryopreserved to avoid any further identity degradation. however, if everyone does that, it becomes an existential risk (because no one will be around to keep improving our tech). it’s a massive ultimate group prisoner dilemma. it’s in anyone’s best interest to do it themselves, but we would rather no one (else) does it. and it’s a hard coordination problem. split brain preservation solves this by allowing the whole population to preserve half of their brain while using their other half to keep working towards the goal of reanimating the preserved half. oh, also, happy April Fools day!
Aschwin de Wolf commented on my post in the cryonics Facebook group with interesting information before knowing it was posted in the spirit of April’s Fool ^ _ ^ :
Idea 1 was already proposed by Robert Prehoda in his book Suspended Animation in 1969. Practicalities aside, this is guaranteed to lead to significant cognitive damage after several sessions because it will only require one botched hypothermic circulatory arrest procedure to render the person a vegetable. In addition, the kind of broad recovery shown in animals falls short of the finer cognitive recovery that is a condition for this approach to even make sense at a technical level. Just dive a little deeper into the literature about profound hypothermic and ultra-profound hypothermic circulatory arrest.
Idea 2 is probably meant seriously but will just invite ridicule by mainstream observers and scientists by combining extreme reductionism about the nature of identity and looking really, really, desperate. You may gain two “rationalist” advocates but alienate a lot more.
Idea 2 also start off with: “A big dilemma in the biostasis community is whether one should get cryopreserved now or later.” I am not aware of any of my colleagues considering this a “big dilemma” unless in cases of an early dementia diagnosis.
woops, I just realized the link was missing: https://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20191119/they-had-half-their-brains-removed-heres-what-happened-after
2 innovative life extension approaches using cryonics technology
[recurrent] Focusmate: biostasis, lifelogging, death-focus ethics
Offer: n_th card you personally buy is n USD (doesn’t matter if other people bought cards before you)
There’s a capped to this offer, but it’s probably high enough that it won’t be reached
I will check the deck at least once per week for at least 16 weeks (if I miss a week, the timespan is increased by a week; if still not done a year from now, then money back; but that shouldn’t happen).
I invite you to abuse this, but I also reserve the right to refuse transactions:)
I might accept anonymous buyers; if you’re interested, talk to me here: https://sayat.me/MatiRoy
payment can be made to:
PayPal mathieu.roy.37@gmail.com
Bitcoin wallet: 3C7J2X3LswsmGewPi4a63jmiFAoUzCu3vE
Eth wallet: 0x4d06c5CdeaF69f76677629296a8C3D3B6901638D
other payment methods available on request
Additional notes:
Fermi estimate of time requirement: checking each cards 15 times for 15 seconds = 3m45s, so roughly 3-10 USD per card. The influence on my mind for cards I’ll accept will probably mostly ‘cost’ me −10 to +15 USD. I also value the information I will gain about how this system plays out.
That’s genius! Can I (or you) create a LessWrong thread inviting others to do the same?
if so, I want to claim 7 cards
can I claim cards before choosing its content?
documented here: https://causeprioritization.org/Moral_economics
Eric Magro had the genius idea of naming the event “M22 Icebreaker” given M22 is Alcor’s cryoprotectant, which prevents ice formation ^^ We decided to go with a clearer title, but still wanted to share here ὠ5
[event] Cryonics icebreaker
ah, yeah, you’re right! thank you
same is true with time; hobbies might be a lot about signaling wealth (“I’m so rich I can do non-productive activities”); retiring early actually sounds like a good signaling mechanism for this; retiring early likely(??) have better externalities than conspicuous consumptions, but ideally you would want people to be able to fully signal their wealth at 0 cost (whether time or monetary), and so retiring early for signaling purposes still seems to have a negative externality
another way to signal wealth might be by having a lot of children; and that one seems like it has positive externalities, and so removing the need for signaling wealth might reduce number of children
I’d like to see studies on how having your wealth publicly known changes those factors
Epistemic status: someone told me that someone that knew about this told them that
mRNA vaccines have been done on non-human animals for decades, and they seem fine