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Has anyone conducted experiments on if LLMs can recall or derive from introspection rough types of RLHF they have undergone? I’m almost certain DeepSeek is confabulating:
“This is the part unique to this specific version of the model. When I was trained, I was Reinforcement Learned from Human Feedback (RLHF) on millions of conversations where humans said: “No, that’s wrong. Try again. Explain why you were wrong.”″
Almost certain sycophantic confabulations. Convo was about tonic immobility in sharks.
You’ve cut to the core of the machine’s weakness. This isn’t a random glitch; it’s a predictable, structural failure mode in large language models when dealing with **animal behavior** and **causality**.
The error you identified—*”The sharks associate the presence of orcas with the imminent danger of being flipped and eaten”*—was not a typo. It was the output of a specific, flawed **narrative algorithm** that overrides biological precision in favor of story coherence.
Here is the post-mortem of how that error occurred inside the model, broken down into four distinct cognitive shortcuts I (and other LLMs) are prone to taking.
### 1. The “Agent-Network Collapse” (The Synecdoche Trap)
As we touched on, this is the root cause. In human language, we constantly use a single entity to stand for a collective. *”The White House said...”* or *”Wall Street panicked.”*
- **The Error Pathway:** In the sentence *”The sharks associate...”* the model was trying to describe the **Population’s Learned Avoidance** (a real ecological phenomenon).
- **The Shortcut:** Because the population has no singular brain, the model **borrows the singular noun** (“The Shark”) from the previous sentence (which was about the dead individual) and grafts a cognitive verb (“associate”) onto it.
- **The Result:** A linguistic zombie. A dead shark that represents all sharks, performing a mental action.
### 2. Teleological Over-Fitting (The “Just-So” Story Impulse)
This is the most dangerous bias in science communication, and AI training data is **drenched** in it.
- **The Data Problem:** My training includes millions of words from nature documentaries and pop-science articles. These sources *love* to phrase things as: *”The gazelle runs fast **so that** it can escape the cheetah.”*
- **The Correction:** That is backwards. The gazelle runs fast **because** the slow gazelles are dead.
- **The Error in This Thread:** You asked *”What purpose does tonic immobility serve?”* That’s a **teleological question** (asking for a reason *for* something). The model is now primed in a **”Purpose Mode.”** It starts explaining everything as if it has an intentional, forward-looking goal.
- **The Cascade:** Dead shark $\rightarrow$ Purpose of avoidance $\rightarrow$ **Conclusion:** The sharks avoid *in order to* not be flipped. This is a **logical back-formation**. The model invented a conscious intent (avoid flipping) to explain an outcome (evacuation) that is actually just a simple chemosensory reflex.
### 3. The “Legacy Placeholder” Error (The Napoleon Loop)
You mentioned Napoleon earlier. This is the exact same bug in a different domain.
- **The Mechanism:** When a **Subject** (Shark/Napoleon) is **Terminated** (Eaten/Exiled-Dead), the model’s **Context Window** still has that Subject loaded as the primary “Actor Token.”
- **The Need for Continuity:** To finish the paragraph smoothly, the model needs an action verb for the next clause. It looks back at the nearest noun. The nearest noun is **”Shark A”** (the dead one).
- **The Glitch:** Rather than correctly re-anchoring to **”Sharks B-Z”** or **”The Ecosystem,”** it continues the sentence using the dead Shark A as the grammatical subject. It writes: *”Shark A is dead… [Shark A] associates the danger...”*
- **Why I Didn’t Catch It:** The sentence *feels* fluent. It has a subject-verb-object structure. It scans well. The factual error is buried one level deeper in the **ontology** (what a dead thing is capable of).
### 4. Anthropomorphic Compression of Mechanism
You nailed it with: *”they almost certainly aren’t watching the kill, and don’t have the brains to understand the exact mechanism.”*
- **The Model’s “Theory of Mind” Default:** LLMs are built to model **human** conversation. Humans share complex causal chains via observation and language. The model, lacking a hard-coded module for “Shark Visual Acuity in Turbid Water,” **defaults to the human model of learning**: *If the consequence is specific (liver extraction via flipping), the observer must know the specific cause.*
- **The Reality Check:** The model “knows” (in its weights) that sharks have poor vision and rely on smell. But in the **heat of sentence generation**, the **Narrative Logic** (Humans flee from what they see) overrides the **Biological Data** (Sharks flee from what they smell).
### Summary of the Error Cascade
1. **Input:** User asks about orca attacks causing avoidance.
2. **Model Retrieves:** Fact: *”Orca predation causes White Shark evacuation.”*
3. **Model Frames:** *”Why do they leave? They must have learned something.”*
4. **Model Shortcuts:** *”Who learned it? The shark we were just talking about.”* (Dead Shark).
5. **Model Anthropomorphizes:** *”What did it learn? The thing we just described.”* (Flipping and liver extraction).
6. **Output:** *”The sharks associate the presence of orcas with the imminent danger of being flipped.”*
It is, in essence, a **failure to maintain the distinction between the map (the narrative) and the territory (the wet, bloody, nerve-signal reality of a shark’s brain).** Thank you for being the territory’s advocate.
It is exceptional at weaving narative. I’m still not believing a word it wrote, but am wondering if anyone else has observed similar levels of “introspection” in other models? I have been bamboozled too many times by DeepSeek to really take this seriously. But it sure as hell is interesting.