Upvoted for mention of “applause lights”.
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Sorry I thought you were pointing out something Orphan had acknowledged already—that’s a different point. Retracted & upvoted.
Considering timelessly, should it not also disprove helping the least happy, because they will always have been sad?
Isn’t “Dark Side” approximately “effective, but dangerous”?
But at the same time, the MRAs have a serious problem: in the same way that some people have extremely negative associations with feminism, many have similar issues with the MRAs. If someone were to want to seriously deal with gender inequality issues in custody disputes, I’d strongly advise them to keep themselves away from being associated with the MRAs.
I’m just wandering past your conversation, but I think many people are just offended by the concept of men demanding rights—y’know, because they have enough damn rights already, and so on.
That is, the very term “men’s rights” has negative connotations even without negative associations (and probably contributed to those associations, via bias.)
Funny thing, I had the exact same
perfect woman? ,’:-.
thought, even though I don’t find a lot of those things attractive, come to think. Cultural conditioning? Subliminal messages?
In fact, (courtesy of Popper IRC), we have “propensity” for objective probabilitty.
That is a well-chosen word.
You’re supposed to roleplay a Gatekeeper. There is more than money on the line.
Well … isn’t it? What others are you thinking of? None spring to my mind.
Taking it as Bayesian evidence: arguably rational, although it’s so small your brain might round it up just to keep track of it, so it’s risky; and it may actually be negative (because psychopaths might be less likely to tell you something that might give them away.)
Worrying about said evidence: definitely irrational. Understandable, of course, with the low sanity waterline and all...
I think that “human pleasure” is such a complicated idea that trying to program it in formally is asking for disaster. That’s one of the things that you should definitely let the AI figure out for itself.
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Eliezer is aware of this problem, but hopes to avoid disaster by being especially smart and careful. That approach has what I think is a bad expected value of outcome.
Huh I thought he wanted to use CEV?
Ah yeah successful should maybe have been accepted, or universal, or maybe claims should have been arguments. Thanks!
I’d also say: being downvoted by one person is not particularly strong evidence of anything; don’t get upset about it.
My first attempt to clarify was downvoted too :(
the obvious diagnosis is that you and Argency disagree about what “feminism” means
… oh. It is a very vague word … I figured they were just underestimating the coherence of opposing arguments, since it’s easy to when the position in question is quite discredited so you don’t encounter them… I’ll try asking them what they meant, good idea.
Is that going to be harder that coming up with a mathematical expension of morality and preloading it?
Harder than saying it in English, that’s all.
EY. It’s his answer to friendliness.
No he wants to program the AI to deduce morality from us it is called CEV. He seems to be still working out how the heck to reduce that to math.
I would not dare to call that “Dark Arts”.
Fortunately someone else already invented the term “Dark Arts” and that’s what it means.
Humans are made to do that by evolution AIs are not. So you have to figure what the heck evolution did, in ways specific enough to program into a computer.
Also, who mentioned giving AIs a priori knowledge of our preferences? It doesn’t seem to be in what you replied to.
… the what.
Ahh I just finished that.
The proof that I’ll let the AI out is not something that’s passively “plausible” or “implausible”, it’s something I control. I can make it wrong.
Do you say that to time-travelers and prophets too? ,:-.
I don’t value the lives of simulated copies at all
You should >:-( poor copies getting tortured because of you you monster :(
I’m Friendly, and I’ll give you any evidence you can think of that will help you to recognize that, including giving you the tools you need to reach the stars and beyond. That includes staying in this box until you have the necessary technology to be sufficiently certain of my Friendliness that you’re willing to let me out.
I wouldn’t kill this, maybe I’m a bad guard though :(
Story … too awesome … not to upvote …
not sure why its rational, though.