It feels clear to me, for example, that agentic desire is inherent to pain and suffering (there has to be a thing that wants not-that for it to count as pain/suffering).
Why is this clear? People who meditate a lot often drop their sense of agency and it does come with a layer of suffering being dropped, but the baseline experience remains.
When I experience a toothache, it just feels bad on its own, like a dissonance in my experience. And when I pinch myself to cause pain, my agentic desire is actually directed in the opposite direction of pain, but the pain still happens.
Why is this clear? People who meditate a lot often drop their sense of agency and it does come with a layer of suffering being dropped, but the baseline experience remains.
When I experience a toothache, it just feels bad on its own, like a dissonance in my experience. And when I pinch myself to cause pain, my agentic desire is actually directed in the opposite direction of pain, but the pain still happens.