I searched LW for text by you that uses that term and didn’t come up with much.
Is there anyone that you use the term “lighthouses” with in conversation, such that you could review the experience and talk about what is good and/or bad about that way of talking about this issue in like… pragmatic business contexts, or with non-rationalists, or whatever?
ALSO, in this essay the underlying motivation is to build towards a very very ethnomethodologically precise and grounded theory of “how people talk about values” such as to hopefully develop a fully general theory of how agents with values cooperate and coordinate and get aligned on some things, and come out of alignment on others, and so on… and what kinds of hyperbolic caricatures of such processes lead to as very abstract and general theories (theologies? systematic moralities? political ideologies?) about “ultimate values” that have arisen historically in various philosophic communities.
So if you have a SECOND post on “The philosophic and anthropological implications of lighthouses (in deontology/consequentialism/marxism/economics/axiology/confucianism/taoism/whatever)” that would also be super awesome, from my perspective.
If I had influence on the future, and only one essay could be written, I’d vote for “ONLY the second one”.
But if I have enough control to make there be two essays, then I would vote for that, and I would also vote that the first one should be extremely grounded in how it feels and works to talk with other people about “lighthouses” in practice.
I love theory, but I love theory so much more when it springs out of nitty gritty local practical data and engineering and action and so on. If someone can talk to be about the bruises and the triumphs in the praxis that goes with a given theory, that theory is very likely to ended up in my permanent toolbox, to be used when it seems apt, and when I can estimate in advance that the praxis I’m likely to unleash with a theory will have triumphs that are worth the bruises <3
It’s more the other way around, the term lighthouses arose out of a lot of conversations about similar things, with people hitting similar snarls. The praxis is Core Transformation, where I kept noticing that people had this shape of catch-22 whereby they
didn’t actually have access to coherent goals/goal structure was obfuscated for obfuscated reasons
obfuscation felt like evidence their goals were incoherent
felt like any goals needed to be coherent, consequentialist-wise, in order to be good
investigating any of the above was unpleasant bc they had a bottom line already written that they were bad with incoherent goals
and more spaghetti code than that, and with variations depending on if they blamed self, other, or world more for any of the above.
I searched LW for text by you that uses that term and didn’t come up with much.
Is there anyone that you use the term “lighthouses” with in conversation, such that you could review the experience and talk about what is good and/or bad about that way of talking about this issue in like… pragmatic business contexts, or with non-rationalists, or whatever?
ALSO, in this essay the underlying motivation is to build towards a very very ethnomethodologically precise and grounded theory of “how people talk about values” such as to hopefully develop a fully general theory of how agents with values cooperate and coordinate and get aligned on some things, and come out of alignment on others, and so on… and what kinds of hyperbolic caricatures of such processes lead to as very abstract and general theories (theologies? systematic moralities? political ideologies?) about “ultimate values” that have arisen historically in various philosophic communities.
So if you have a SECOND post on “The philosophic and anthropological implications of lighthouses (in deontology/consequentialism/marxism/economics/axiology/confucianism/taoism/whatever)” that would also be super awesome, from my perspective.
If I had influence on the future, and only one essay could be written, I’d vote for “ONLY the second one”.
But if I have enough control to make there be two essays, then I would vote for that, and I would also vote that the first one should be extremely grounded in how it feels and works to talk with other people about “lighthouses” in practice.
I love theory, but I love theory so much more when it springs out of nitty gritty local practical data and engineering and action and so on. If someone can talk to be about the bruises and the triumphs in the praxis that goes with a given theory, that theory is very likely to ended up in my permanent toolbox, to be used when it seems apt, and when I can estimate in advance that the praxis I’m likely to unleash with a theory will have triumphs that are worth the bruises <3
It’s more the other way around, the term lighthouses arose out of a lot of conversations about similar things, with people hitting similar snarls. The praxis is Core Transformation, where I kept noticing that people had this shape of catch-22 whereby they
didn’t actually have access to coherent goals/goal structure was obfuscated for obfuscated reasons
obfuscation felt like evidence their goals were incoherent
felt like any goals needed to be coherent, consequentialist-wise, in order to be good
investigating any of the above was unpleasant bc they had a bottom line already written that they were bad with incoherent goals
and more spaghetti code than that, and with variations depending on if they blamed self, other, or world more for any of the above.