Yeah. It also worries me that a lot of value change has happened in the past, and much of it has been caused by selfish powerful actors for their ends rather than ours. The most obvious example is jingoism, which is often fanned up by power-hungry leaders. A more subtle example is valuing career or professional success. The part of it that isn’t explained by money or the joy of the work itself, seems to be an irrational desire installed into us by employers.
Agree! Examples abound. You can never escape your local ideological context—you can only try to find processes that have some hope at occasionally pumping into the bounds of your current ideology and press beyond it—no reliably receipt (just like there is no reliably receipt to make yourself notice your own blind spot) - but there is the hope for things that in expectation and intertemporally can help us with this.
Which poses a new problem (or clarifies the problem we’re facing): we don’t get to answer the question of value change legitimacy in a theoretical vacuum—instead we are already historically embedded in a collective value change trajectory, affecting both what we value but also what we (can) know.
I think that makes it sound a bit hopeless from one perspective, but on the other hand, we probably also shouldn’t let hypothetical worlds we could never have reached weight us down—there are many hypothetical worlds we still can reach that it is worth fighting for.
Yeah. It also worries me that a lot of value change has happened in the past, and much of it has been caused by selfish powerful actors for their ends rather than ours. The most obvious example is jingoism, which is often fanned up by power-hungry leaders. A more subtle example is valuing career or professional success. The part of it that isn’t explained by money or the joy of the work itself, seems to be an irrational desire installed into us by employers.
Agree! Examples abound. You can never escape your local ideological context—you can only try to find processes that have some hope at occasionally pumping into the bounds of your current ideology and press beyond it—no reliably receipt (just like there is no reliably receipt to make yourself notice your own blind spot) - but there is the hope for things that in expectation and intertemporally can help us with this.
Which poses a new problem (or clarifies the problem we’re facing): we don’t get to answer the question of value change legitimacy in a theoretical vacuum—instead we are already historically embedded in a collective value change trajectory, affecting both what we value but also what we (can) know.
I think that makes it sound a bit hopeless from one perspective, but on the other hand, we probably also shouldn’t let hypothetical worlds we could never have reached weight us down—there are many hypothetical worlds we still can reach that it is worth fighting for.