People with Cotard delusion seem to come close. And there is of course Simon Browne, who explicitly claimed to be “utterly divested of consciousness.”
And you have to wonder: long-term memory (SDAM) seems closely associated with aphantasia; and many people vary drastically on levels of ‘internal monologue’. If you take someone with no internal monologue, aphantasia, and SDAM, what’s left?
And you have to wonder: long-term memory (SDAM) seems closely associated with aphantasia; and many people vary drastically on levels of ‘internal monologue’. If you take someone with no internal monologue, aphantasia, and SDAM, what’s left?
Well, certainly kinesthetic experiences and feelings aren’t included in that list.
The same way we know they have feelings, by observing behavior (eg a mouse pausing in a maze then choosing the right direction). It’s true I was overconfident in my statements , but you putting kinisthetic in a separate compartment, then also questioning the consciousness of animals in a sure way is also overconfident.
It’s funny because I would argue the exact same thing from the opposite side of the aisle. If you take someone who identifies with memory, internal speech, and internal image and reports nothing else, they don’t seem all that conscious to me. Consider the moment directly before and after going lucid in a dream.
Come to think of it, I wonder if ‘lucid’ dreaming would even be a sensible distinction for a q-zombie.
People with Cotard delusion seem to come close. And there is of course Simon Browne, who explicitly claimed to be “utterly divested of consciousness.”
And you have to wonder: long-term memory (SDAM) seems closely associated with aphantasia; and many people vary drastically on levels of ‘internal monologue’. If you take someone with no internal monologue, aphantasia, and SDAM, what’s left?
A behaviorist psychologist. :) I have to wonder about the inner life of J. B. Watson.
Well, certainly kinesthetic experiences and feelings aren’t included in that list.
Animals have kinesthetic experiences and emotions too.
Yes, and consciousness. Although not to the same level as humans.
Animals also visualize don’t they?
Highly debatable.
How would you know if they didn’t and were aphantasic? Did you ask them?
The same way we know they have feelings, by observing behavior (eg a mouse pausing in a maze then choosing the right direction). It’s true I was overconfident in my statements , but you putting kinisthetic in a separate compartment, then also questioning the consciousness of animals in a sure way is also overconfident.
I would say that the only fair thing to say here, is that we simply do not have any way to know that as of today.
It’s funny because I would argue the exact same thing from the opposite side of the aisle. If you take someone who identifies with memory, internal speech, and internal image and reports nothing else, they don’t seem all that conscious to me. Consider the moment directly before and after going lucid in a dream.
Come to think of it, I wonder if ‘lucid’ dreaming would even be a sensible distinction for a q-zombie.