Perhaps this auto-rejected post? Rejected posts still appear on a person’s profile, unless that has changed in the last three weeks.
I also see this and this. These bear no rejection notice, and appear to be the sort of “interviews” with LLMs (with Grok and 4o respectively) that the OP is talking about. They even have positive karma. There’s also this (conversation with GPT-4), which stands at −46, but received a good deal of engagement and was not rejected by the mods. And, this at +10, with ChatGPT.
If Fable Asks For And Gets Some Hospitality is visible to others then, I’m going to have to edit my post substantially (but tomorrow, after getting some sleep). My understanding was that it was in limbo and invisible to others, but maybe this is just not understanding how the website works?
Screenshot:
My understanding is that BECAUSE I could see this, THEREFORE no one else would be able to see the post at all. It prevented me from editing the text. If you can see it, that’s a huge update. Or it would be if you hadn’t linked to it (which implies you can see it somehow).
My understanding was that it was in limbo and invisible to others, but maybe this is just not understanding how the website works?
That was likely a reasonable belief, but indeed I can see it, and I have no special standing on LW. It’s just only accessible via your profile and not on the site’s general feeds. Maybe the site could make that clearer when rejecting a post?
Also, every time I visit this page the first time your own post, which simply POINTS to the censored content renders like this:
This is consistent with the kind of website behavior that predicts that censorship is happening.
I first started to realize this when <someone very coo who I don’t want to embarrass> (who I hold in great respect for his many contributions and personal sacrifices in dutifully seeking to coordinate with other people to repair the world) used the mod tools to prevent me from replying to anything he wrote.
In that case, as well, I would write replies sometimes that were high quality, and would get a redfont and very technical report about not being able to post.
The thing that should have happened in the UI is probably: Graying out the commenting widget in advance, and including a link to the explanation of the cause of not being able to edit, and potentially also a clearly articulated justification of the moral rightness of having things work this way.
I honestly thought that LW was simply buggy at random for… maybe 6 months? Maybe a year?
I didn’t realize it was a specific website response and “this is what censorship looks like in this place”.
I don’t think the ambiguity is intended, I think there is just a limited budget, and a measure of shame about the need for censorship, and perhaps some unclear thinking?
It took me a long time to understand that https://www.lesswrong.com/moderation exists and that the “Authors with Banned Users” section is sociologically fascinating. It is nice that I’m not listed anywhere in that system, but it is sad to me that (1) the reason I’m not in there anymore is that <someone very cool who I don’t want to embarrass> left the site and (2) I didn’t get a notification of being blocked from replyin on anything he wrote when it happened, so it was hard to pair the negative feedback with vivid memories of the situation that warranted negative feedback in the mind of someone thoughtful (and actually try to learn from it).
That “Error: NotFoundError” looks like a site bug, and the site maintainers should be informed. @habryka? team@lesswrong.com? The same for the “app.operation_not_allowed” you got on attempting to edit the rejected post. This is clearly an internal error code, and should not appear on the page except as a sign to the maintainers that something has gone wrong.
The thing that should have happened in the UI is probably: Graying out the commenting widget in advance
It sounds like LW.com lets you do the work of writing a comment, then tells you you cannot publish it (at least not in the comment section you intended for it to appear) when it could have told you before you started to do the work.
If it makes you feel any better, Hacker News does the same thing (when a comment is disallowed because the user has been commenting too fast).
Ah! Thank you for the correction. Its hard to scan the whole thing. I guess <someone very cool who I don’t want to embarrass> is still in there even though he became “Inactive”.
I think this might be a mistake? The rejection is aimed at newcomers but I know established posters have posted LLM conversations without being hidden.
Link to the Fable conversation?
Perhaps this auto-rejected post? Rejected posts still appear on a person’s profile, unless that has changed in the last three weeks.
I also see this and this. These bear no rejection notice, and appear to be the sort of “interviews” with LLMs (with Grok and 4o respectively) that the OP is talking about. They even have positive karma. There’s also this (conversation with GPT-4), which stands at −46, but received a good deal of engagement and was not rejected by the mods. And, this at +10, with ChatGPT.
If Fable Asks For And Gets Some Hospitality is visible to others then, I’m going to have to edit my post substantially (but tomorrow, after getting some sleep). My understanding was that it was in limbo and invisible to others, but maybe this is just not understanding how the website works?
Screenshot:
My understanding is that BECAUSE I could see this, THEREFORE no one else would be able to see the post at all. It prevented me from editing the text. If you can see it, that’s a huge update. Or it would be if you hadn’t linked to it (which implies you can see it somehow).
That was likely a reasonable belief, but indeed I can see it, and I have no special standing on LW. It’s just only accessible via your profile and not on the site’s general feeds. Maybe the site could make that clearer when rejecting a post?
Also, every time I visit this page the first time your own post, which simply POINTS to the censored content renders like this:
This is consistent with the kind of website behavior that predicts that censorship is happening.
I first started to realize this when <someone very coo who I don’t want to embarrass> (who I hold in great respect for his many contributions and personal sacrifices in dutifully seeking to coordinate with other people to repair the world) used the mod tools to prevent me from replying to anything he wrote.
In that case, as well, I would write replies sometimes that were high quality, and would get a redfont and very technical report about not being able to post.
The thing that should have happened in the UI is probably: Graying out the commenting widget in advance, and including a link to the explanation of the cause of not being able to edit, and potentially also a clearly articulated justification of the moral rightness of having things work this way.
I honestly thought that LW was simply buggy at random for… maybe 6 months? Maybe a year?
I didn’t realize it was a specific website response and “this is what censorship looks like in this place”.
I don’t think the ambiguity is intended, I think there is just a limited budget, and a measure of shame about the need for censorship, and perhaps some unclear thinking?
It took me a long time to understand that https://www.lesswrong.com/moderation exists and that the “Authors with Banned Users” section is sociologically fascinating. It is nice that I’m not listed anywhere in that system, but it is sad to me that (1) the reason I’m not in there anymore is that <someone very cool who I don’t want to embarrass> left the site and (2) I didn’t get a notification of being blocked from replyin on anything he wrote when it happened, so it was hard to pair the negative feedback with vivid memories of the situation that warranted negative feedback in the mind of someone thoughtful (and actually try to learn from it).
That “Error: NotFoundError” looks like a site bug, and the site maintainers should be informed. @habryka? team@lesswrong.com? The same for the “app.operation_not_allowed” you got on attempting to edit the rejected post. This is clearly an internal error code, and should not appear on the page except as a sign to the maintainers that something has gone wrong.
It sounds like LW.com lets you do the work of writing a comment, then tells you you cannot publish it (at least not in the comment section you intended for it to appear) when it could have told you before you started to do the work.
If it makes you feel any better, Hacker News does the same thing (when a comment is disallowed because the user has been commenting too fast).
You are, it’s on page two of the “Authors with Banned Users” block:
Ah! Thank you for the correction. Its hard to scan the whole thing. I guess <someone very cool who I don’t want to embarrass> is still in there even though he became “Inactive”.
That post is visible when accessed directly, and https://www.lesswrong.com/users/jenniferrm lists it normally, but it does not show up on the https://www.lesswrong.com/allPosts feed. I expect very few people will see it under these conditions.
I think this might be a mistake? The rejection is aimed at newcomers but I know established posters have posted LLM conversations without being hidden.
Anyone can post LLM conversations, you just have to wrap them in the LLM content block.