Talk is cheap. Someone who says “I want to die eventually” isn’t actually invested in the answer—it’s just them justifying to themselves why they’re not exercising, eating right, and otherwise planning for a long future.
This is very uncharitable. For many people, living forever is simply not a realistic option. Heck, many rationalists give it a chance around 10%, and that already involves a lot of belief in progress, which many people don’t have.
Also, people are not automatically strategic. For example, religious people believe that sin can bring them eternity in hell, and they still keep sinning.
You’re assuming a lot about other peoples’ experiences and motivations, the internal experience that my aforementioned love ones have described to me looks not at all similar to what you said. While their internal experiences and their desire for eventual death are alien thought processes, emotions, and experiences to me, I do notice that the people-space of people who prefer eventual death to immortality contains a pretty wide variety of reasonings and internal experiences for why they prefer that eventual death...including surprisingly well thought out and sophisticated and logically coherent answers. Some people genuinely want to die eventually rather than live indefinitely, and that mindset / preference is so alien to mine own that it’s a struggle to accept that people believe such things and have such preferences, but I keep encountering people who do so it seems to be true.
However, I can see how what you said might be an internal experience for some people within people-space, it does check out and pass my anecdotal experience test at least (I’ve encountered some people who, per their description of internal experience, are likely similar to the mindset you described).
I like to ask people their preferences on this matter, so I’ve heard a lot different answers to the “death vs immortality” questions, and while I’ve encountered some people who have a strong or neutral preference for immortality, I’ve encountered a surprisingly high amount of people who would prefer death, and that sucks.
Talk is cheap. Someone who says “I want to die eventually” isn’t actually invested in the answer—it’s just them justifying to themselves why they’re not exercising, eating right, and otherwise planning for a long future.
This is very uncharitable. For many people, living forever is simply not a realistic option. Heck, many rationalists give it a chance around 10%, and that already involves a lot of belief in progress, which many people don’t have.
Also, people are not automatically strategic. For example, religious people believe that sin can bring them eternity in hell, and they still keep sinning.
Arguably that’s internal conflict. (Or, alternatively, what point is there in the religion if religious people are perfect?)
Believing in hell is the strategy against sinning.
You’re assuming a lot about other peoples’ experiences and motivations, the internal experience that my aforementioned love ones have described to me looks not at all similar to what you said. While their internal experiences and their desire for eventual death are alien thought processes, emotions, and experiences to me, I do notice that the people-space of people who prefer eventual death to immortality contains a pretty wide variety of reasonings and internal experiences for why they prefer that eventual death...including surprisingly well thought out and sophisticated and logically coherent answers. Some people genuinely want to die eventually rather than live indefinitely, and that mindset / preference is so alien to mine own that it’s a struggle to accept that people believe such things and have such preferences, but I keep encountering people who do so it seems to be true.
However, I can see how what you said might be an internal experience for some people within people-space, it does check out and pass my anecdotal experience test at least (I’ve encountered some people who, per their description of internal experience, are likely similar to the mindset you described).
I like to ask people their preferences on this matter, so I’ve heard a lot different answers to the “death vs immortality” questions, and while I’ve encountered some people who have a strong or neutral preference for immortality, I’ve encountered a surprisingly high amount of people who would prefer death, and that sucks.