Yep. Because you can’t require actual respect, any more than you can require people to believe that the sky is green. You can intimidate people into claiming belief/respect, but this necessarily comes at the cost of honesty and ability to update towards the truth.
That doesn’t mean we should tolerate unnecessary hostility. “Go die, idiot” is generally bad behavior, but not because it’s “lacking respect”.
“Go die, idiot” is generally bad behavior, but not because it’s “lacking respect”.
confusingly contradicts (semantically if not substantively)
“Do I respect you as a person?” fits well with the “treat someone like a person” meaning. It means I value not burning bridges by saying things like “Go die, idiot”
Yep. Because you can’t require actual respect, any more than you can require people to believe that the sky is green. You can intimidate people into claiming belief/respect, but this necessarily comes at the cost of honesty and ability to update towards the truth.
That doesn’t mean we should tolerate unnecessary hostility. “Go die, idiot” is generally bad behavior, but not because it’s “lacking respect”.
I basically agree with you, but this
confusingly contradicts (semantically if not substantively)
It is lacking respect, but it’s not bad because it’s lacking respect. The badness is separate.
Fully agreed. Fortunately, this sort of thing is mostly not a problem on Less Wrong.
(There are exceptions, of course, but they are usually dealt with fairly competely by the mods.)