If you’re interested, we can also move forward as I did over here
It’s not “moving forward”, it’s moving to a separate question. That question might be worth considering, but isn’t generally related to the original one.
simply assuming EY is right,
Why would the assumption that EY was right be necessary to consider that question?
and then seeing if banning the post was net positive
I agree that it was net negative, specifically because the idea is still circulating, probably with more attention drawn to it than would happen otherwise. Which is why I started commenting on my hypothesis about the reasons for EY’s actions, in an attempt to alleviate the damage, after I myself figured it out. But that it was in fact net negative doesn’t directly argue that given the information at hand when the decision was made, it had net negative expectation, and so that the decision was incorrect (which is why it’s a separate question, not a step forward on the original one).
It’s not “moving forward”, it’s moving to a separate question.
I like the precision of your thought.
All this time I thought we were discussing if blocking future censorship by EY was a rational thing to do—but it’s not what we were discussing at all.
You really are in it for the details—if we could find a way of estimating around hard problems to solve the above question, that’s only vaguely interesting to you—you want to know the answers to these questions.
At least that’s what I’m hearing.
It sounds like the above was your way of saying you’re in favor of blocking future EY censorship, which gratifies me.
I’m going to do the following things in the hope of gratifying you:
Writing up a post on less wrong for developing political muscles. I’ve noticed several other posters seem less than savvy about social dynamics, so perhaps a crash course is in order. (I know that there are certainly several in the archives, I guarantee I’ll bring several new insights [with references] to the table).
Reread all your comments, and come back at these issues tomorrow night with a more exact approach. Please accept my apology for what I assume seemed a bizarre discussion, and thanks for thinking like that.
But that it was in fact net negative doesn’t directly argue that given the information at hand when the decision was made, it had net negative expectation, and so that the decision was incorrect.
More than enough information about human behavior was available at the time. Negative consequences of the kind observed were not remotely hard to predict.
Yes, quite likely. I didn’t argue with this point, though I myself don’t understand human behavior enough for that expectation to be obvious. I only argued that the actual outcome isn’t a strong reason to conclude that it was expected.
If you’re interested, we can also move forward as I did over here by simply assuming EY is right, and then seeing if banning the post was net positive
It’s not “moving forward”, it’s moving to a separate question. That question might be worth considering, but isn’t generally related to the original one.
Why would the assumption that EY was right be necessary to consider that question?
I agree that it was net negative, specifically because the idea is still circulating, probably with more attention drawn to it than would happen otherwise. Which is why I started commenting on my hypothesis about the reasons for EY’s actions, in an attempt to alleviate the damage, after I myself figured it out. But that it was in fact net negative doesn’t directly argue that given the information at hand when the decision was made, it had net negative expectation, and so that the decision was incorrect (which is why it’s a separate question, not a step forward on the original one).
I like the precision of your thought.
All this time I thought we were discussing if blocking future censorship by EY was a rational thing to do—but it’s not what we were discussing at all.
You really are in it for the details—if we could find a way of estimating around hard problems to solve the above question, that’s only vaguely interesting to you—you want to know the answers to these questions.
At least that’s what I’m hearing.
It sounds like the above was your way of saying you’re in favor of blocking future EY censorship, which gratifies me.
I’m going to do the following things in the hope of gratifying you:
Writing up a post on less wrong for developing political muscles. I’ve noticed several other posters seem less than savvy about social dynamics, so perhaps a crash course is in order. (I know that there are certainly several in the archives, I guarantee I’ll bring several new insights [with references] to the table).
Reread all your comments, and come back at these issues tomorrow night with a more exact approach. Please accept my apology for what I assume seemed a bizarre discussion, and thanks for thinking like that.
Night!
I didn’t address that question at all, and in fact I’m not in favor of blocking anything. I came closest to that topic in this comment.
More than enough information about human behavior was available at the time. Negative consequences of the kind observed were not remotely hard to predict.
Yes, quite likely. I didn’t argue with this point, though I myself don’t understand human behavior enough for that expectation to be obvious. I only argued that the actual outcome isn’t a strong reason to conclude that it was expected.