uhm take the rational norm in lesswrong. But imagine for some reason people have a limit on how rational they can get, so they behave irrationally sometimes when they hit their limit. From the outside, you can’t tell whether a person is behaving irrationally because they hit their limit or for other reasons. If you do nothing your community is getting more irrational, if you push all people to be more rational you risk hurting people at their limit.
replace rationality with whatever group norm that is beneficial to enforce, and that is pretty close to why I want to find a way to reliably signal limit.
If you do nothing your community is getting more irrational, if you push all people to be more rational you risk hurting people at their limit.
There are many ways to interact with other people that are not about pushing them to take certain actions.
benkuhn recently wrote To listen well, get curious for general heuristics about how to interact with your friends that’s not about pushing them when they have an issue.
In the more rational enviroment there are a bunch of techniques that can be used. If a fellow rationalist seems to be blocked asking them to do internal double crux is much more likely to help them putting pressure on them to push them.
forgive me if I misunderstand you.
but from my point of view there can only be 3 stands on looking at behavior.
encourage [or push for]
discourage [or push against]
do not touch and stay away.
Those are not the only options. I wrote Not all communication is manipulation: Chaperones don’t manipulate proteins on how there are moves that are space holding and not about encouraging or discouraging certain outcomes.
I will think on this