Alright—that is fine, but it also doesn’t really reapond to the points I was making. I wasn’t concerned whether there was consent from people in a particular instance, but about how consent wasn’t described as part of your process.
Also, as I mentioned, for the kids: just uploading the photos to the ghibli LLM site seems like a likely privacy violation.
Do you think it’s wrong to take pictures in public places and put them online, even if there are people in the background who didn’t consent? I think of this as a very normal thing to do, though it does make them available for LLM-training-scraping among other things.
My answer to that question would not quite be a categorical yes or no. For example, there’s a difference between a manually taken selfie and a complete raw security camera feed.
But I do agree this is straying from the original topic a bit. Since the top-post use case is explicitly one where you’ve already decided you’re not comfortable posting the original photo publicly, I feel like the general acceptability of posting photos is mostly irrelevant here? I think a more on-point justification would be talking about why it’s more acceptable for an AI to see the original photo than for your general audience to see that same photo.
(To be clear I don’t personally have a major problem with this practice, at least as you’ve applied it so far, although I also don’t think it’s really added or subtracted much from my enjoyment or understanding of your posts so far. Mostly I just don’t find this particular justification to be convincing.)
Personally, yeah I do think it’s mildly wrong. Normal and ethical aren’t always correlated.
Again though, isn’t this getting a little off topic? It seems to be staying that way so it’s fine with me if we just let this conversation die off. Almost none of my questions or points are really being addressed (by you or the many others who disagree with me), so continuing doesn’t seem worthwhile. I’ve been hanging onto the thread hoping to get some answers, but from my perspective it’s just continued misdirection. I don’t think that’s your intent, and I may have put you on the defensive, but overall this is a negative-value conversation for me as I’m leaving more confused.
Alright—that is fine, but it also doesn’t really reapond to the points I was making. I wasn’t concerned whether there was consent from people in a particular instance, but about how consent wasn’t described as part of your process.
Also, as I mentioned, for the kids: just uploading the photos to the ghibli LLM site seems like a likely privacy violation.
Do you think it’s wrong to take pictures in public places and put them online, even if there are people in the background who didn’t consent? I think of this as a very normal thing to do, though it does make them available for LLM-training-scraping among other things.
My answer to that question would not quite be a categorical yes or no. For example, there’s a difference between a manually taken selfie and a complete raw security camera feed.
But I do agree this is straying from the original topic a bit. Since the top-post use case is explicitly one where you’ve already decided you’re not comfortable posting the original photo publicly, I feel like the general acceptability of posting photos is mostly irrelevant here? I think a more on-point justification would be talking about why it’s more acceptable for an AI to see the original photo than for your general audience to see that same photo.
(To be clear I don’t personally have a major problem with this practice, at least as you’ve applied it so far, although I also don’t think it’s really added or subtracted much from my enjoyment or understanding of your posts so far. Mostly I just don’t find this particular justification to be convincing.)
Personally, yeah I do think it’s mildly wrong. Normal and ethical aren’t always correlated.
Again though, isn’t this getting a little off topic? It seems to be staying that way so it’s fine with me if we just let this conversation die off. Almost none of my questions or points are really being addressed (by you or the many others who disagree with me), so continuing doesn’t seem worthwhile. I’ve been hanging onto the thread hoping to get some answers, but from my perspective it’s just continued misdirection. I don’t think that’s your intent, and I may have put you on the defensive, but overall this is a negative-value conversation for me as I’m leaving more confused.