I can’t find the comment of Eliezer that inspired this but:
The “If-you-found-out-that-God-existed scale of ambition”.
1) “Well obviously if I found out God exists I’d become religious, go to church on Sundays etc.”
2) “Actually, most religious people don’t seem to really believe what their religion says. If I found out that God existed I’d have to become a fundamentalist, preaching to save as many people from hell as I could.”
3) “Just because God exists, doesn’t mean that I should worship him. In fact, if Hell exists then God is really evil, and I should put all my effort into killing God and rescuing everyone from hell. Sure it sounds impossible, but I wouldn’t give up until I’d thought about the problem and tried all possible courses of action.”
4) “God is massively powerful. Sure I’d kill him if I had to, but that would be a catastrophic waste. My true aim would be to harness God’s power and use it to do good.”
3) “Just because God exists, doesn’t mean that I should worship him. In fact, if Hell exists then God is really evil, and I should put all my effort into killing God and rescuing everyone from hell. Sure it sounds impossible, but I wouldn’t give up until I’d thought about the problem and tried all possible courses of action.”
But if you succeed in pulling everyone from hell, what would give their existences meaning and purpose? I mean, you just can’t thwart god’s sovereign will for his creatures without consequences. God created them for damnation as their telos from the very beginning, just as he created others to receive totally undeserved salvation.
I would rather have no purpose (originating in myself or in someone else) than have the outside-given purpose of suffering. If they cared about anything when they got out of hell, that would be their purpose though.
But I would expect them all to be insane from centuries of torture.
4) “God is massively powerful. Sure I’d kill him if I had to, but that would be a catastrophic waste. My true aim would be to harness God’s power and use it to do good.”
In other words, you want to convert god into a Krell Machine that works properly?
I can’t find the comment of Eliezer that inspired this but:
The “If-you-found-out-that-God-existed scale of ambition”.
1) “Well obviously if I found out God exists I’d become religious, go to church on Sundays etc.”
2) “Actually, most religious people don’t seem to really believe what their religion says. If I found out that God existed I’d have to become a fundamentalist, preaching to save as many people from hell as I could.”
3) “Just because God exists, doesn’t mean that I should worship him. In fact, if Hell exists then God is really evil, and I should put all my effort into killing God and rescuing everyone from hell. Sure it sounds impossible, but I wouldn’t give up until I’d thought about the problem and tried all possible courses of action.”
4) “God is massively powerful. Sure I’d kill him if I had to, but that would be a catastrophic waste. My true aim would be to harness God’s power and use it to do good.”
6) “Good. I already planned to become God if possible. Now I have an existence proof.”
7) “That’s strange, I don’t remember creating that god… It must have grown from my high school science experiment when I wasn’t looking.”
But if you succeed in pulling everyone from hell, what would give their existences meaning and purpose? I mean, you just can’t thwart god’s sovereign will for his creatures without consequences. God created them for damnation as their telos from the very beginning, just as he created others to receive totally undeserved salvation.
I would rather have no purpose (originating in myself or in someone else) than have the outside-given purpose of suffering. If they cared about anything when they got out of hell, that would be their purpose though.
But I would expect them all to be insane from centuries of torture.
That was a bit of misplaced sarcasm, I assume.
I tried to imagine what a Calvinist would say.
In other words, you want to convert god into a Krell Machine that works properly?
That’s Eliezers life mission. Preventing an UFAI and instead having an FAI.