There’s existing work on frame control, it’s not a term that Aella came up with herself. Without having traced the history too much I think it’s an NLP term that then got picked up by pick up artists.
Pretty much. The relevance for NLP is that if you’re trying to help someone out of say, a self-defeating mindset or victim state, then you need to be able to (at minimum) control your own frame so as not to get pulled into whatever role the person’s problems try to assign you (e.g. rescuer or persecutor).
The main thing I dislike about this post’s framing of frame control is that the original meaning of “frame control” is maintaining your own frame—i.e. the antidote to the abusive and manipulative behaviors described in this post. Not allowing yourself to be sucked in or trapped by the frames that other people attempt to establish, intentionally or not.
I’m not suggesting she came up with the term “frame control”—I’m suggesting she wrote several thousand words about gaslighting and didn’t mention the word “gaslighting.” It goes without saying that she didn’t engage at all with the vast commentary on the topic of gaslighting, which covers almost everything she said. I agree with the top comment from Anna Salamon that this post is clearly preliminary work and a few steps away still from good scholarship. A post integrating frame control, gaslighting, and the deployment of language in the exercise of power could get there; a post mentioning those things would be a significant improvement.
Im almost certain Aella purposely did not mention the fact that Frame Control is a well developed NLP/PUA/Power Sales term, because it would detract from their point. The problem of course, is that Frame Control is a googlable term.
There is plenty to be argued against malicious FC, but this post is akin to suddenly discovering that entropy exists, and warning LW about it.
There’s existing work on frame control, it’s not a term that Aella came up with herself. Without having traced the history too much I think it’s an NLP term that then got picked up by pick up artists.
Pretty much. The relevance for NLP is that if you’re trying to help someone out of say, a self-defeating mindset or victim state, then you need to be able to (at minimum) control your own frame so as not to get pulled into whatever role the person’s problems try to assign you (e.g. rescuer or persecutor).
The main thing I dislike about this post’s framing of frame control is that the original meaning of “frame control” is maintaining your own frame—i.e. the antidote to the abusive and manipulative behaviors described in this post. Not allowing yourself to be sucked in or trapped by the frames that other people attempt to establish, intentionally or not.
I’m not suggesting she came up with the term “frame control”—I’m suggesting she wrote several thousand words about gaslighting and didn’t mention the word “gaslighting.” It goes without saying that she didn’t engage at all with the vast commentary on the topic of gaslighting, which covers almost everything she said. I agree with the top comment from Anna Salamon that this post is clearly preliminary work and a few steps away still from good scholarship. A post integrating frame control, gaslighting, and the deployment of language in the exercise of power could get there; a post mentioning those things would be a significant improvement.
Im almost certain Aella purposely did not mention the fact that Frame Control is a well developed NLP/PUA/Power Sales term, because it would detract from their point. The problem of course, is that Frame Control is a googlable term.
There is plenty to be argued against malicious FC, but this post is akin to suddenly discovering that entropy exists, and warning LW about it.