Raoian Sociopaths are very much engaging in intense signaling war with each other. Indeed, that’s all they do, they shave off their identities to do it, and they’re mostly not having a good time.
The Clueless are unaware of the signaling wars being played, they mostly take messages at face value. They’re not doing signaling in a calculated manner.
The Losers are not unaware of the game, nor necessarily unable to play it, they just don’t think playing it is a good way to accomplish their (orthogonal-to-the-game) goals.
So, if anything, Sociopaths are the losers’ bracket here, the Clueless are maybe the bottom tier (well, not really; I actually don’t think they map on to anything here), and everyone in the winners’ bracket here is a Roaian Loser (since they opted out of the game) (though not all Losers are winners).
Raoian Sociopaths are distinguished by being only able to interact via “power talk” (i. e., they’re at Simulacrum Level 4), and if I recall correctly, the same is true of Moral Mazes’ middle managers. The latter aren’t really buying into the signals, they don’t actually have loyalty to the company or whatever (which defines the Clueless). They’re just cynically exploiting all those mechanisms for self-advancement. Thus, they are Sociopaths.
Also, here’s a devastatingly powerful argumentum ad verecundiam in my interpretation’s favor.
Yeah makes sense that the Moral Maze Middle Managers are sociopaths, but, I think The Office middle managers are still clearly following status gradients in a straightforward way.
Mm, I don’t think this maps on.
Raoian Sociopaths are very much engaging in intense signaling war with each other. Indeed, that’s all they do, they shave off their identities to do it, and they’re mostly not having a good time.
The Clueless are unaware of the signaling wars being played, they mostly take messages at face value. They’re not doing signaling in a calculated manner.
The Losers are not unaware of the game, nor necessarily unable to play it, they just don’t think playing it is a good way to accomplish their (orthogonal-to-the-game) goals.
So, if anything, Sociopaths are the losers’ bracket here, the Clueless are maybe the bottom tier (well, not really; I actually don’t think they map on to anything here), and everyone in the winners’ bracket here is a Roaian Loser (since they opted out of the game) (though not all Losers are winners).
Mmm, I think disagree about clueless here – clueless are middle management, who are following a status ladder pretty straightforwardly.
Raoian Sociopaths are distinguished by being only able to interact via “power talk” (i. e., they’re at Simulacrum Level 4), and if I recall correctly, the same is true of Moral Mazes’ middle managers. The latter aren’t really buying into the signals, they don’t actually have loyalty to the company or whatever (which defines the Clueless). They’re just cynically exploiting all those mechanisms for self-advancement. Thus, they are Sociopaths.
Also, here’s a devastatingly powerful argumentum ad verecundiam in my interpretation’s favor.
Yeah makes sense that the Moral Maze Middle Managers are sociopaths, but, I think The Office middle managers are still clearly following status gradients in a straightforward way.
Ah, I see. Yeah, I think you’re right with this correction. (I was slightly misunderstanding what you were getting at before.)