i think LW also has its own epistemic distortions, in kind of the opposite direction
Fwiw I’m also skeptical of this line of argument/reasoning on meta grounds[1]. I’ve most often seen Anthropic ppl like Amanda and Dario deploy this. But I think it’s seductive for bad reasons if ppl think about it even a little bit.
tbc maybe your object-level reasons are sufficiently strong to believe this. Just wanted. to clarify the meta point here because it’s been bugging me for a while.
tbc, i think LW is much closer to sane! but i definitely do get frustrated by some of the cargo culting on here sometimes, and that was the main reason i said what i did. i mostly ignore ant/oai people shitting on LW.
Sorry my comment was unclear! I was less thinking of the specific shitting on safety people sociologically and more about something akin to the golden mean fallacy that I see prominent Ant people deploy in a bunch of seeminglyunrelatedincidences (dunno if you see it regularly at oai too).
Besides the normative aspect I also think they’re actually making a fairly simple descriptive mistake, which is that it’svery easy to see yourself as the center if you don’t define your bounds ahead of time, and/or if you observe this among ppl you interact with rather than from e.g. polling.
i’m not claiming you should in general be in the center of various things. for example, i don’t think you should spend some time with the far left and some time with the far right (you should spend time with neither); nor do i think you should spend some time with the religious and some time with atheists (i think you should spend almost all of your time with atheists).
Fwiw I’m also skeptical of this line of argument/reasoning on meta grounds[1]. I’ve most often seen Anthropic ppl like Amanda and Dario deploy this. But I think it’s seductive for bad reasons if ppl think about it even a little bit.
tbc maybe your object-level reasons are sufficiently strong to believe this. Just wanted. to clarify the meta point here because it’s been bugging me for a while.
tbc, i think LW is much closer to sane! but i definitely do get frustrated by some of the cargo culting on here sometimes, and that was the main reason i said what i did. i mostly ignore ant/oai people shitting on LW.
Sorry my comment was unclear! I was less thinking of the specific shitting on safety people sociologically and more about something akin to the golden mean fallacy that I see prominent Ant people deploy in a bunch of seemingly unrelated incidences (dunno if you see it regularly at oai too).
Besides the normative aspect I also think they’re actually making a fairly simple descriptive mistake, which is that it’s very easy to see yourself as the center if you don’t define your bounds ahead of time, and/or if you observe this among ppl you interact with rather than from e.g. polling.
i’m not claiming you should in general be in the center of various things. for example, i don’t think you should spend some time with the far left and some time with the far right (you should spend time with neither); nor do i think you should spend some time with the religious and some time with atheists (i think you should spend almost all of your time with atheists).
Sorry I think I didn’t get my point across (skill issue on my end). I should probably write a full post or a longer quick take about this.
I wonder if that’s upstream of why Claude likes the “secret third thing” so much.