tbc, i think LW is much closer to sane! but i definitely do get frustrated by some of the cargo culting on here sometimes, and that was the main reason i said what i did. i mostly ignore ant/oai people shitting on LW.
Sorry my comment was unclear! I was less thinking of the specific shitting on safety people sociologically and more about something akin to the golden mean fallacy that I see prominent Ant people deploy in a bunch of seeminglyunrelatedincidences (dunno if you see it regularly at oai too).
Besides the normative aspect I also think they’re actually making a fairly simple descriptive mistake, which is that it’svery easy to see yourself as the center if you don’t define your bounds ahead of time, and/or if you observe this among ppl you interact with rather than from e.g. polling.
i’m not claiming you should in general be in the center of various things. for example, i don’t think you should spend some time with the far left and some time with the far right (you should spend time with neither); nor do i think you should spend some time with the religious and some time with atheists (i think you should spend almost all of your time with atheists).
tbc, i think LW is much closer to sane! but i definitely do get frustrated by some of the cargo culting on here sometimes, and that was the main reason i said what i did. i mostly ignore ant/oai people shitting on LW.
Sorry my comment was unclear! I was less thinking of the specific shitting on safety people sociologically and more about something akin to the golden mean fallacy that I see prominent Ant people deploy in a bunch of seemingly unrelated incidences (dunno if you see it regularly at oai too).
Besides the normative aspect I also think they’re actually making a fairly simple descriptive mistake, which is that it’s very easy to see yourself as the center if you don’t define your bounds ahead of time, and/or if you observe this among ppl you interact with rather than from e.g. polling.
i’m not claiming you should in general be in the center of various things. for example, i don’t think you should spend some time with the far left and some time with the far right (you should spend time with neither); nor do i think you should spend some time with the religious and some time with atheists (i think you should spend almost all of your time with atheists).
Sorry I think I didn’t get my point across (skill issue on my end). I should probably write a full post or a longer quick take about this.
I wonder if that’s upstream of why Claude likes the “secret third thing” so much.