So, this post has netted for Zvi a few hundred karma, which SEEMS to be encouraging the right thing. Even with some confusion and controversy, it’s clearly positive value. I apologize for my asymmetric commenting style, especially if my focus on points of disagreement makes it seem like I don’t value the topic and everyone’s thoughts on it.
I want to ask about your dual preferences: you want high-quality as an absolute and you want people to improve from their current capabilities, as a relative. Are there different ways of encouraging these two goals, or are they integrated enough that you think of them as the same?
No need to apologize for focusing on points of disagreement. And I’m grateful for the commentary and confusion, because it pointed to important questions about how to have good discourse and caused me to notice something I do frequently that is likely a mistake. It’s like finally having an editor, in the good way.
I’m not on the moderation team, but my perspective is that the two goals overlap and are fully compatible but largely distinct and need to be optimized for in different ways (see Tale of Alice Almost). And this is the situation in which you get a conflict between them, because norms are messy and you can’t avoid what happens in hard mode threads bleeding into other places.
So, this post has netted for Zvi a few hundred karma, which SEEMS to be encouraging the right thing. Even with some confusion and controversy, it’s clearly positive value. I apologize for my asymmetric commenting style, especially if my focus on points of disagreement makes it seem like I don’t value the topic and everyone’s thoughts on it.
I want to ask about your dual preferences: you want high-quality as an absolute and you want people to improve from their current capabilities, as a relative. Are there different ways of encouraging these two goals, or are they integrated enough that you think of them as the same?
No need to apologize for focusing on points of disagreement. And I’m grateful for the commentary and confusion, because it pointed to important questions about how to have good discourse and caused me to notice something I do frequently that is likely a mistake. It’s like finally having an editor, in the good way.
I’m not on the moderation team, but my perspective is that the two goals overlap and are fully compatible but largely distinct and need to be optimized for in different ways (see Tale of Alice Almost). And this is the situation in which you get a conflict between them, because norms are messy and you can’t avoid what happens in hard mode threads bleeding into other places.