Interesting exploration, but I fear you’re selectively treating some preferences/beliefs as objective and not others.
Objectively, it doesn’t matter if her makeup washes off. There’s no one there that would judge her, and even if someone did judge her it’d just make them a jerk, which would be their problem. She doesn’t see it this way, obviously.
Incorrect. It is an objectively different world-state if her makeup is on or off. It’s less objective, but still true, that she will feel judged if she’s in public without makeup. It’s PROBABLY true that at least one person will treat her slightly differently, though is a question of weights and preferences whether that’s important.
It’s also quite possible that she doesn’t want to swim for other reasons, and is using her makeup as a means to avoid revealing those reasons.
The challenge is this: What do you say, and do, such that by the end of it she sees the truth here and is able to enjoy swimming with her friends?
Mu. There is no truth that I know better than her. There are framings and weights that I think may make her overall happier with the day (though they do have some risks that they won’t), and I’d likely try to help explain why I weight such considerations differently than she does.
While it’s true in general that a girl might have other reasons for not going swimming, or that people may judge her in ways that are significant to her decision whether it’s worth swimming, this is not one of them. I’m specifically asking if you can figure out how to do it conditional on “No one will judge her, if they did it’d be their problem” turning out to be true.
And while it makes sense to question the realism of hypotheticals, and the knowability of “the right answer”, this actually happened. We know a solution exists because after I talked to her she agreed with me, and went swimming. We know that no one judged her because it was just obvious to everyone there—including the girl herself, who did not feel judged. Furthermore, this was predictable. While I couldn’t be 100% sure she’d respond in the way I expected, she did.
It is indeed significantly harder in real life, where you might not know anything she doesn’t, and where you could conceivably be wrong about how it looks. I’m giving you the benefit of hindsight in telling you how it turned out.
Knowing the right answer in advance, can you figure out how to convey it to her so that she predictably sees it? Remember, you’ve just seen her friends tell her that she doesn’t have anything to worry about and that didn’t work.
Interesting exploration, but I fear you’re selectively treating some preferences/beliefs as objective and not others.
Incorrect. It is an objectively different world-state if her makeup is on or off. It’s less objective, but still true, that she will feel judged if she’s in public without makeup. It’s PROBABLY true that at least one person will treat her slightly differently, though is a question of weights and preferences whether that’s important.
It’s also quite possible that she doesn’t want to swim for other reasons, and is using her makeup as a means to avoid revealing those reasons.
Mu. There is no truth that I know better than her. There are framings and weights that I think may make her overall happier with the day (though they do have some risks that they won’t), and I’d likely try to help explain why I weight such considerations differently than she does.
While it’s true in general that a girl might have other reasons for not going swimming, or that people may judge her in ways that are significant to her decision whether it’s worth swimming, this is not one of them. I’m specifically asking if you can figure out how to do it conditional on “No one will judge her, if they did it’d be their problem” turning out to be true.
And while it makes sense to question the realism of hypotheticals, and the knowability of “the right answer”, this actually happened. We know a solution exists because after I talked to her she agreed with me, and went swimming. We know that no one judged her because it was just obvious to everyone there—including the girl herself, who did not feel judged. Furthermore, this was predictable. While I couldn’t be 100% sure she’d respond in the way I expected, she did.
It is indeed significantly harder in real life, where you might not know anything she doesn’t, and where you could conceivably be wrong about how it looks. I’m giving you the benefit of hindsight in telling you how it turned out.
Knowing the right answer in advance, can you figure out how to convey it to her so that she predictably sees it? Remember, you’ve just seen her friends tell her that she doesn’t have anything to worry about and that didn’t work.