I am surprised at 2, and want to retract my comment and make this whole subthread not able to hurt me any more. I’m feeling a lot of social disapproval at my having posted the comment, and my update from it is to just not make comments like that, which I think is a good outcome for your preferences about discourse norms. I can’t stand social disapproval like this, and I feel an urgent need to change however will make it go away the fastest—on most sites, that’s “delete my comment, never post another one like it”.
Though actually, I have 4 points now. But I still acutely feel your disapproval of my having expressed disapproval at you, and want to just take it back and let you talk how you want.
(meta: it’s quite scary for me to try to be honest about this. I feel urge to reply with my actual feelings in the interest of truth seeking, but normally would just be silent.)
Upvoted. I regret that my comments had this effect on you (though do not regret making them). I hope that you will continue to comment no less earnestly than you’ve done so far, and encourage you to do so.
which I think is a good outcome for your preferences about discourse norms
My discourse norms are honesty, integrity, and truth.
I regret that my comments had this effect on you (though do not regret making them).
I like this. My approval drives would lead to a chilling effect on truth-seeking if everyone tried to white-box optimize them when having conversations, and I don’t endorse that; I’d rather people hurt me a bit than fail at truth-seeking. I wish I had a better way to defend myself from the hurt of social disapproval, though; eg, disowning a comment.
My discourse norms are honesty, integrity, and truth.
I am surprised at 2, and want to retract my comment and make this whole subthread not able to hurt me any more. I’m feeling a lot of social disapproval at my having posted the comment, and my update from it is to just not make comments like that, which I think is a good outcome for your preferences about discourse norms. I can’t stand social disapproval like this, and I feel an urgent need to change however will make it go away the fastest—on most sites, that’s “delete my comment, never post another one like it”.
Though actually, I have 4 points now. But I still acutely feel your disapproval of my having expressed disapproval at you, and want to just take it back and let you talk how you want.
(meta: it’s quite scary for me to try to be honest about this. I feel urge to reply with my actual feelings in the interest of truth seeking, but normally would just be silent.)
Upvoted. I regret that my comments had this effect on you (though do not regret making them). I hope that you will continue to comment no less earnestly than you’ve done so far, and encourage you to do so.
My discourse norms are honesty, integrity, and truth.
I like this. My approval drives would lead to a chilling effect on truth-seeking if everyone tried to white-box optimize them when having conversations, and I don’t endorse that; I’d rather people hurt me a bit than fail at truth-seeking. I wish I had a better way to defend myself from the hurt of social disapproval, though; eg, disowning a comment.
I endorse those.