In his dialogue Deconfusing Some Core X-risk Problems, Max H writes:
Yeah, coordination failures rule everything around me. =/
I don’t have good ideas here, but something that results in increasing the average Lawfulness among humans seems like a good start. Maybe step 0 of this is writing some kind of Law textbook or Sequences 2.0 or CFAR 2.0 curriculum, so people can pick up the concepts explicitly from more than just, like, reading glowfic and absorbing it by osmosis. (In planecrash terms, Coordination is a fragment of Law that follows from Validity, Utility, and Decision.)
This is the “glowfic” he was referring to.
I’m very sympathetic to Niplav and Max H’s concerns that it’s just way too long. However, I disagree with their thinking. The burden of the length has actually fallen much harder on me than most readers, and in spite of that, I still think that projectlawful is worth the read.
The lessons from projectlawful are a package deal; if you want some, you have to read the rest, and you have to watch examples characters trying the lessons and sometimes failing and sometimes succeeding, and you have to care. The use of examples to approach each problem from multiple angles is a key element of what made Yud’s original sequences great and what made the CFAR handbook effective.
Yudkowsky seems to have noticed that humans spend many hours a week reading fiction and zero hours a week becoming more rational, and that people weren’t reading the sequences so much because it was “work”. I currently think that both projectlawful and HPMOR were the correct moves to fix these problems.
Thanks for the sort-of-response. My main point was that it’s tricky to include Project Lawful in the review, since the past three times those were fairly short (and small!) books. Long things are fine, but I was critical about the value of including all of Project Lawful in the review.
whoops, corrected from habryka to Max H. That section was a bit unusual, this is not a normal mistake that I’m predisposed to making (this is an example of a mistake that I’m very predisposed to making).
In his dialogue Deconfusing Some Core X-risk Problems, Max H writes:
This is the “glowfic” he was referring to.
I’m very sympathetic to Niplav and Max H’s concerns that it’s just way too long. However, I disagree with their thinking. The burden of the length has actually fallen much harder on me than most readers, and in spite of that, I still think that projectlawful is worth the read.
The lessons from projectlawful are a package deal; if you want some, you have to read the rest, and you have to watch examples characters trying the lessons and sometimes failing and sometimes succeeding, and you have to care. The use of examples to approach each problem from multiple angles is a key element of what made Yud’s original sequences great and what made the CFAR handbook effective.
Yudkowsky seems to have noticed that humans spend many hours a week reading fiction and zero hours a week becoming more rational, and that people weren’t reading the sequences so much because it was “work”. I currently think that both projectlawful and HPMOR were the correct moves to fix these problems.
Thanks for the sort-of-response. My main point was that it’s tricky to include Project Lawful in the review, since the past three times those were fairly short (and small!) books. Long things are fine, but I was critical about the value of including all of Project Lawful in the review.
(that’s a quote from Max H, not from me)
whoops, corrected from habryka to Max H. That section was a bit unusual, this is not a normal mistake that I’m predisposed to making (this is an example of a mistake that I’m very predisposed to making).