the title has now been changed to “White Lies”, which I’ve never heard used conversationally to cover things like “no, Mom, not gay”.
I have always interpreted “white lies” as “lies I approve of” rather than “small lies,” because the size of a lie is clearly a subjective measurement. It looks like wiki mostly agrees.
“Lies I approve of” and “white lies” are overlapping sets, but aren’t quite the same. For example, if a Nazi asks you if you’re hiding any Jews (and you are), I approve of lying to them, but this isn’t a white lie. On the other hand, if your horrible racist aunt asks you if she’s racist, telling her that she’s not would be a white lie, but not one that I approve of.
Looking at Augustine’s taxonomy the terminology seems clearer, as it differentiates “lies told to please others in smooth discourse,” which is what I think Alicorn would associate with ‘white lies,’ with “lies that harm no one and that protect someone from bodily defilement.” (And note how the lies in religious teachings mirrors the discussion of lies in science!) As expected, Augustine thinks it’s better to lie to the Nazi than to lie to your aunt.
But again it seems the subjectivity shines through in the definition of harm, if you want to put the hidden Jew lie in Augustine’s last category. Isn’t the Nazi harmed when you lie to him, and he doesn’t get to catch the hidden Jew?
On the other hand, if your horrible racist aunt asks you if she’s racist
The problem with that example is that “racist” as commonly used has several very different meanings and political forces that intentionally try to confuse them.
I have always interpreted “white lies” as “lies I approve of” rather than “small lies,” because the size of a lie is clearly a subjective measurement. It looks like wiki mostly agrees.
“Lies I approve of” and “white lies” are overlapping sets, but aren’t quite the same. For example, if a Nazi asks you if you’re hiding any Jews (and you are), I approve of lying to them, but this isn’t a white lie. On the other hand, if your horrible racist aunt asks you if she’s racist, telling her that she’s not would be a white lie, but not one that I approve of.
Looking at Augustine’s taxonomy the terminology seems clearer, as it differentiates “lies told to please others in smooth discourse,” which is what I think Alicorn would associate with ‘white lies,’ with “lies that harm no one and that protect someone from bodily defilement.” (And note how the lies in religious teachings mirrors the discussion of lies in science!) As expected, Augustine thinks it’s better to lie to the Nazi than to lie to your aunt.
But again it seems the subjectivity shines through in the definition of harm, if you want to put the hidden Jew lie in Augustine’s last category. Isn’t the Nazi harmed when you lie to him, and he doesn’t get to catch the hidden Jew?
most people WANT the nazi to be harmed.
Indeed.
I would argue that the Nazi isn’t really harmed when you lie to him, because not having a preference satisfied is not necessarily harm.
The problem with that example is that “racist” as commonly used has several very different meanings and political forces that intentionally try to confuse them.