This response seems to me to be missing a mood. I think I might agree with the policy, we’d need to work through what effects we anticipate from it, but the fact that you’re running a deontological frame here grates on how I think about the constraints. I am unfamiliar and thus uncertain whether PauseAI is sufficiently good to be advertised, it might very well be, so I’m not stating either way whether I will believe the comment should have advertising in it after arguments are presented, but I think it was predictable that many kinds of person who are trying to do good would react badly to being told their attempt at doing good broke a rule without that coming with an explanation for why the thing they were doing actually isn’t good. Obviously this doesn’t mean you have to write up every single thing you do as moderators, but if it were possible to make easy to do so, I think that would be better.
My response is motivated by my emotion of wanting to show up for Holly and the things she is protecting, in a way that also shows up for habryka and the things he is protecting.
To that end, I propose we don’t continue this conversation further now, since I’d guess it’s more useful as one-off feedback.
Like, I have probably explained the motivations behind it, and the rough structure of it like 50+ times by now. By far the most common application of the frontpage rules is recruitment ads or other things like that.
It is true that this usually applies to posts not comments, though of course the same reasoning applies.
ah, in that case, my suggestion for an update is to build an index of those things so that someone who is unlikely to have read them can be linked to the explanation. I imagine this is already mostly done.
The “Frontpage” link at the top of every frontpage post links to the first one of those. I agree it would be good to have a better index of moderation comments, which I am currently working on! (as mentioned in the big Said post)
I see we’re isolated in the ether with this thread now, so I’ll say one more thing—I meant that, to spare holly’s emotions a bit, since she was (in my opinion) clearly saying something with passion, it would have been kinder to justify it on the spot, whether that was with links or not. I’m not sure if the thing you’re agreeing to is that, or disagreeing that the indexes available to users should already have been sufficient. I do not intend this as a request to continue the conversation unless you want to for some reason.
This response seems to me to be missing a mood. I think I might agree with the policy, we’d need to work through what effects we anticipate from it, but the fact that you’re running a deontological frame here grates on how I think about the constraints. I am unfamiliar and thus uncertain whether PauseAI is sufficiently good to be advertised, it might very well be, so I’m not stating either way whether I will believe the comment should have advertising in it after arguments are presented, but I think it was predictable that many kinds of person who are trying to do good would react badly to being told their attempt at doing good broke a rule without that coming with an explanation for why the thing they were doing actually isn’t good. Obviously this doesn’t mean you have to write up every single thing you do as moderators, but if it were possible to make easy to do so, I think that would be better.
My response is motivated by my emotion of wanting to show up for Holly and the things she is protecting, in a way that also shows up for habryka and the things he is protecting.
To that end, I propose we don’t continue this conversation further now, since I’d guess it’s more useful as one-off feedback.
I mean we have written a lot about the frontpage/personal distinction!
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/5conQhfa4rgb4SaWx/site-guide-personal-blogposts-vs-frontpage-posts
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2rWKkWuPrgTMpLRbp/lesswrong-faq-1#What_s_the_difference_between_Frontpage_posts_and_Personal_blogposts_
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/RQpb78bJnjm6P5cT5/brief-comment-on-frontpage-personal-distinction
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/WwTPSkNwC89g3Afnd/comment-section-from-05-19-2019?commentId=xhosC9RaHWizQpj9Y
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/cqF9dDTmWAxcAEfgf/communications-in-hard-mode-my-new-job-at-miri?commentId=KSd6Bsnca3FnsxWiu
Like, I have probably explained the motivations behind it, and the rough structure of it like 50+ times by now. By far the most common application of the frontpage rules is recruitment ads or other things like that.
It is true that this usually applies to posts not comments, though of course the same reasoning applies.
ah, in that case, my suggestion for an update is to build an index of those things so that someone who is unlikely to have read them can be linked to the explanation. I imagine this is already mostly done.
The “Frontpage” link at the top of every frontpage post links to the first one of those. I agree it would be good to have a better index of moderation comments, which I am currently working on! (as mentioned in the big Said post)
I see we’re isolated in the ether with this thread now, so I’ll say one more thing—I meant that, to spare holly’s emotions a bit, since she was (in my opinion) clearly saying something with passion, it would have been kinder to justify it on the spot, whether that was with links or not. I’m not sure if the thing you’re agreeing to is that, or disagreeing that the indexes available to users should already have been sufficient. I do not intend this as a request to continue the conversation unless you want to for some reason.