“Fundamentally at odds” seems way too strong to me, so I assume that I’m missing something.
Even the site’s own admins seem confused. Despite defending the “blog” moderation model at every turn, the recently redesigned front-page Feed gives users no indication that by replying to a comment or post, they would be stepping into different “private spaces” with different moderators and moderation policies. It is instead fully forum-like.
In practice, Authors utilize their moderation privileges so rarely that there seems to be no difference whatsoever between the user experience in the “full-forum model” vs. the “private spaces” model? Like the difference has never bothered me, or impacted my behavior at all?
And indeed, I think that authors rarely use their moderation privileges because the private spaces on LessWrong are are built on top a platform that runs on the forum model. Authors don’t need to aggressively moderate their posts, because the LessWrong mod team does a lot of the work that would otherwise need to be done by the authors. In practice, we’re mostly relying on the forum model, but with an extra, rarely invoked, layer of the “private spaces” model for handling some exceptional cases. Which overall seems to work just fine to me?
Also, the author’s moderation policies are displayed just below the text box every time you post a comment? That seems importantly different than “no indication”, unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean.
Overall, I don’t get why this feels like such a big deal to you, yet.
“Fundamentally at odds” seems way too strong to me, so I assume that I’m missing something.
What I mean is that on forums there is an expectation that mods will be fair to all sides, and this is in part achieved by the rule of not modding their own threads. If you feel like a mod abused their power (e.g. deleted content that didn’t violate the rules) you can often appeal to the other mods.
On a personal blog such expectations do not exist. If you get modded however unfairly, you just suck it up and move on. Since these expectations are totally opposite, when you mix the two models together on LW it becomes very confusing what one should expect.
It could be that “fundamentally at odds” is worded too strongly though. Let me know what you think given the above.
In practice, Authors utilize their moderation privileges so rarely that there seems to be no difference whatsoever between the user experience in the “full-forum model” vs. the “private spaces” model? Like the difference has never bothered me, or impacted my behavior at all?
Right, but the site admins are trying to encourage people to use it more, so I thought I’d report my own experience of being author-banned, as a warning to them. I also think if they’re not used more, then the author mod powers should just be removed, to fix the above mentioned confusion, which is there regardless of how much the powers are actually used.
Also, the author’s moderation policies are displayed just below the text box every time you post a comment? That seems importantly different than “no indication”, unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean.
I’m talking specifically about the comment boxes in the Feed section of the front page, which do not have such policies displayed, as of this writing.
“Fundamentally at odds” seems way too strong to me, so I assume that I’m missing something.
In practice, Authors utilize their moderation privileges so rarely that there seems to be no difference whatsoever between the user experience in the “full-forum model” vs. the “private spaces” model? Like the difference has never bothered me, or impacted my behavior at all?
And indeed, I think that authors rarely use their moderation privileges because the private spaces on LessWrong are are built on top a platform that runs on the forum model. Authors don’t need to aggressively moderate their posts, because the LessWrong mod team does a lot of the work that would otherwise need to be done by the authors. In practice, we’re mostly relying on the forum model, but with an extra, rarely invoked, layer of the “private spaces” model for handling some exceptional cases. Which overall seems to work just fine to me?
Also, the author’s moderation policies are displayed just below the text box every time you post a comment? That seems importantly different than “no indication”, unless I’m misunderstanding what you mean.
Overall, I don’t get why this feels like such a big deal to you, yet.
What I mean is that on forums there is an expectation that mods will be fair to all sides, and this is in part achieved by the rule of not modding their own threads. If you feel like a mod abused their power (e.g. deleted content that didn’t violate the rules) you can often appeal to the other mods.
On a personal blog such expectations do not exist. If you get modded however unfairly, you just suck it up and move on. Since these expectations are totally opposite, when you mix the two models together on LW it becomes very confusing what one should expect.
It could be that “fundamentally at odds” is worded too strongly though. Let me know what you think given the above.
Right, but the site admins are trying to encourage people to use it more, so I thought I’d report my own experience of being author-banned, as a warning to them. I also think if they’re not used more, then the author mod powers should just be removed, to fix the above mentioned confusion, which is there regardless of how much the powers are actually used.
I’m talking specifically about the comment boxes in the Feed section of the front page, which do not have such policies displayed, as of this writing.
FWIW, this is just a bug (as I think I mentioned somewhere else in the thread).