I also like the idea of using large institutions to self-police, e.g. two mega-ideologies could agree to not censor each other or something.
This seems to me confused. What to you mean with mega-ideologies that are large institutions? As I understand the term ideology, ideologies aren’t instiutions.
When it comes to real world large institutions a majority of censorship is internal and not external.
Yeah, most ideologies are not institutions, good point. (For our purposes, what matters is whether they have enough agency to make deals with other ideologies. A Supreme Leader or other central power structure would do the trick, but it’s not the only way.) So then I should rephrase: I’m intrigued by the idea of getting ideologies to have more agency so they can make win-win deals with each other. Just as warring tribes of humans benefit from having national governments that can coordinate when to fight and when to negotiate, so too might culture-warring ideological tribes of humans benefit from… etc.
Having to speak according to the party line that was decided in some deal seems to me like being censored to speak. The act of making a deal that involves not saying certain things like “People who say X are awful people who should be shunned” inherently involves censorship.
A tribe of humans who have an ideology is not the same as the ideology itself. In a tribe of humans there are always divergent opinions. The more all of the people are pressured to say the same thing, the more censorship is there for most definitions of censorship.
This seems to me confused. What to you mean with mega-ideologies that are large institutions? As I understand the term ideology, ideologies aren’t instiutions.
When it comes to real world large institutions a majority of censorship is internal and not external.
Yeah, most ideologies are not institutions, good point. (For our purposes, what matters is whether they have enough agency to make deals with other ideologies. A Supreme Leader or other central power structure would do the trick, but it’s not the only way.) So then I should rephrase: I’m intrigued by the idea of getting ideologies to have more agency so they can make win-win deals with each other. Just as warring tribes of humans benefit from having national governments that can coordinate when to fight and when to negotiate, so too might culture-warring ideological tribes of humans benefit from… etc.
Having to speak according to the party line that was decided in some deal seems to me like being censored to speak. The act of making a deal that involves not saying certain things like “People who say X are awful people who should be shunned” inherently involves censorship.
A tribe of humans who have an ideology is not the same as the ideology itself. In a tribe of humans there are always divergent opinions. The more all of the people are pressured to say the same thing, the more censorship is there for most definitions of censorship.