How ‘Human-Human’ dynamics give way to ‘Human-AI’ and then ‘AI-AI’ dynamics

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A short overarching narrative of how humans in companies will, by default, bootstrap the existence of AGI that proceed to lethally modify the environment beyond human control.


Excerpts compiled below:

  1. where considering the shaping
    of proto-AGI/​AI systems
    in interaction with humans:

    • as mostly about how ‘human to human’ interactions
      are bootstrapping of ‘human to AI’ interactions,
      and also about how narrow AI becomes general AI.

    • where for example, consider an easy narrative
      of how this might manifest in the overall trends
      of how the present inexorably leads to the future.

  2. where considering the shaping
    of now near-threshold-AGI systems
    in interaction with world:

    • as mostly about how prior ‘human to AI’ interactions
      have effectively/​functionally implemented a bootstrapping
      of all kinds of possible ‘AI to world’ interactions,
      and how these ‘AI to world’ interactions, in turn,
      set the context and future for all manner
      of ‘AI to AI’ interactions, etc.

    • where there are different outcomes/​effects:

      • that there is an overall movement:

        • a; towards the environmental conditions
          needed for artificial machine:

          • substrate continuance; and;

          • continued increase
            (of total volume of substrate); and;

          • increase in the rate of increase
            (of volume of substrate).

        • b; away from the environmental conditions
          needed for human living.

      • as described in Three Worlds and No People as Pets.

  3. where considering the non-shaping
    of now post-threshold-AGI
    in interaction with itself:

    • where as considered both internally or externally;
      where given the complete failure of exogenous controls
      (via market incentives; due to economic decoupling)

    • that they (the AGI/​APS) will have started,
      and will increasingly (be able to, and will),
      more and more shape the world environment
      to suit their own needs/​process.

    • that humanity discovers, unfortunately, far too late,
      that any type of attempted endogenous control
      is also strictly, functionally, structurally,
      completely impossible/​intractable.

      • as due to fundamental limits
        of/​in engineering control (note 4):

        1. cannot simulate.

        2. cannot detect.

        3. cannot correct.

      • that any attempt to moderate or control AGI/​APS
        whether by internal or external techniques,
        cannot not eventually fail.

    • where once the AGI/​APS systems exist;
      that the tendency of people
      to keep them operating
      becomes overwhelming.

  • where stating the overall outcome/​conclusion:

    • If ‘AGI’ comes to exist and continues to exist,
      then there will be eventually
      human-species-wide lethal changes
      {to /​ in the} overall environment.


Acronyms:

→ Read link to Forrest Landry’s blog for more (though still just an overview).

Note: Text is laid out in his precise research note-taking format.

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